RIP Simon Andrews , horror crash

[theclaud]

[QUOTE 3099600, member: 9609"]
Some time ago someone upload a horror crash of a scooter going under a lorry and then in close up showed the mess the lads body was in, it was so horrible it was not only removed from this site but also from youtube - may be it should have been compulsory viewing for lorry drivers in a bid to show them how much damage a big lorry can do, as an educational piece it could have saved lives.[/QUOTE]

FTFY

 

[Blue]

The riders who take part in these races are not exactly your weekend wannabe racers.
Most of them are fine and don't or anything. However when it does it's near always bad hitting a curb, wall or going off a hill.
That being said they knows the risks and should know their limits. In all like said after his Simons crash last year he wouldn't of got back on the bike if he didn't enjoy what he was doing.

Oh, they live and die for it. I did first aid duty at all the circuits in NI and have to admit that it was the most exciting type of event to watch - even though I was fully aware of why I was there. It didn't stop the riders and didn't stop me getting a bike of my own.

Mind you, it was all many years ago. I recall seeing Mick Grant doing something like 186mph down that straight where this accident happened. Exciting - but so dangerous.

I think the riders just concentrate on the race. I remember being part of an ambulance crew at the hair-pin of the Ulster Grand Prix one year when a rider came off right beside us - when we got to him his first words were "Is the bike OK?"

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

I can't believe that people want to watch a fatal crash.

It takes all sorts.

I was looking up more details about the guy, of whom I knew nothing, and it came up.

Seeing it once is one thing, but to then repeat and repeat it?? That really IS wrong!!

Im not watching it.

Why dont we remove the link to it altogether? I can think of no good reason for keeping it.

Because some people, for various different reasons, some professional perhaps, actually want to see what happened instead of everything being watered down like it usually is these days.

And anyway, if you haven't even seen it, then you are in NO position to criticise!

So that people can exercise their own judgement about whether to watch or not?

Nah. Its a link to a video of a person suffering a violent death. Its mawkish, its in very poor taste and its disrespectful to him and his grieving family.

Its the old thing of how we need to be protected from ourselves in a highly sanitised, dumbed down world??
Hell no!! The guy knew fine well what he was doing, and knew anything would probably be in public anyway. Besides, once a video, or videos are out there, you can't stop it!

If the video makes a rider stop, think and become a bit safer, then his death will not have been in vain!

If you don't want to see, DON'T CLICK and stay out of it!! FFS!!

Theres simply no justification for posting it on a cycling forum

Errr, a actually, there is - If it makes a cyclist think twice about going so fast through an area like that with such street furniture, then, good!! I have been on downhill sections where something like that could EASILY have happened (as I'm sure most of us have) for example!!

Clearly we never know what is going to happen around the next corner (pun intended), but if it makes someone stop and think, and then maybe become a better cyclist, then it will have achieved a positive effect and his death will not have been in vain!!

Who made you great Forum spokesman anyway??

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

What is more, I think the 'Dumbers Down' have become a victim of their own success, because we don't often see death these days, not for real anyway, so when something like this does happen, a lot of people all go

'Wow wow wow lets see it!!'

In a sanitised world where some people no doubt think that meat is made in a factory and comes in a little box, can you blame people for wanting to see just a little bit more??

 

[Dangermouse]

I haven't watched the video and don't intend to watch it,but its a good way the organisers and those who have to evaluate what happened can see exactly what did happen and try to make it safer, don't be giving the OP grief for it, it may be something the emergency services or organisers haven't seen but need to see to make it safer for future races

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

I haven't watched the video and don't intend to watch it,but its a good way the organisers and those who have to evaluate what happened can see exactly what did happen and try to make it safer, don't be giving the OP grief for it, it may be something the emergency services or organisers haven't seen but need to see to make it safer for future races

Exactly, it can be used by various different people for organisational or professional purposes.

 

[Brandane]

[QUOTE 3099600, member: 9609"]I watched it and I wish I hadn't, very disturbing. I have mixed thoughts on such videos, in respect of the lads family that video should never have been upload to youtube, this is someone dying in a horror accident and not entertainment. On the other hand there is the educational value in the hard hitting way it shows what can happen in a high speed crash, may be people who ride big bikes at very high speeds should watch it.

Some time ago someone upload a horror crash of a scooter going under a lorry and then in close up showed the mess the lads body was in, it was so horrible it was not only removed from this site but also from youtube - may be it should have been compulsory viewing for cyclists in a bid to show them how much damage a big lorry can do, as an educational piece it could have saved lives.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. As a motorcyclist I am curious as to what happened, but haven't watched it yet. If by watching it, I can learn anything about self preservation, then it would be an idea to watch it; but I won't know about that until I do watch it.
RIP Simon Andrews.

 

[Cycling Dan]

Agreed. As a motorcyclist I am curious as to what happened, but haven't watched it yet. If by watching it, I can learn anything about self preservation, then it would be an idea to watch it; but I won't know about that until I do watch it.
RIP Simon Andrews.

In fairness you don't see the lead up to the crash only the after part where the bike slides along the ground shortly followed by simon who has been knocked out shooting in pursuit of the bike like a torpedo and hitting head first into a curb being catapulted into the air. Mean while there is a popping sound due to the top part of the helmet or visor breaking free from the helmet.
Without watching the video I think what I have posted above gives a good written description as to what happens in the video.

If anything it will reassure you that it is possible to die no matter who or how good you are.

 

[DCLane]

I know that area, having lived along the course for 3 years between 1988 and 1991. The NW200 route is known to be risky; they've been riding at high speeds along there for decades, with only straw bales to stop them.

He was clearly unconscious before the kerb impact.

RIP.

 

[theclaud]

In fairness you don't see the lead up to the crash only the after part where the bike slides along the ground shortly followed by simon who has been knocked out shooting in pursuit of the bike like a torpedo and hitting head first into a curb being catapulted into the air from head butting the curb. Mean while there is a popping sound due to the top part of the helmet or visor breaking free from the helmet.
Without watching the video I think what I have posted above gives a good written description as to what happens in the video.

If anything it will reassure you that it is possible to die no matter who or how good you are.

I'm not sure that "reassure" is the right word. I don't think I'll watch it. I tend towards Mickle's view that there's not much to be gained by posting it here and that to do so is inconsiderate towards those who loved him. And I find it especially strange that it's in the Cafe...

 

[Cycling Dan]

I'm not sure that "reassure" is the right word. I don't think I'll watch it. I tend towards Mickle's view that there's not much to be gained by posting it here and that to do so is inconsiderate towards those who loved him. And I find it especially strange that it's in the Cafe...

I think reassure is the right word. Taking this back to drivers.... A lot today speed and push themselves to what they thinks is well within their limits. I'm sure there are people on this forum who do so too. Going back to before many people think they are within their limit but in fact are on the very edge. They tend to think in the lines of people who see those who kill while on the phone and driving, oh it will never happen to me.
This video may act more as a perspective wake up for people like that. If a person who rides for living and very much the example of a professional can die then it serves as a wake up call or at least a warning.

 

[Cycling Dan]

Going off what I sad above Matthew is an example of such that. Maybe not intentional but he uploaded a video where he pushed himself over the limt losing control of his car on a bend. The recovery being entirely down to the car rather than his own driving ability as he made it worse by under steering then oversteering.
Not to purposely single Matthew out but he is one person on this fourm which fits into my above description

 

[theclaud]

I think reassure is the right word. Taking this back to drivers.... A lot today speed and push themselves to what they thinks is well within their limits. I'm sure there are people on this forum who do so too. Going back to before many people think they are within their limit but in fact are on the very edge. They tend to think in the lines of people who see those who kill while on the phone and driving, oh it will never happen to me.
This video may serve more as a perspective wake up for people like that. If a person who rides for and very much the example of a professional can die then it serves as a wake up call or at least a warning.

Your points about dangerous driving behaviour are fair enough, but I don't see that they have much to do with a professional taking calculated risks with his own safety for the thrill of it in a race context.

 

[Dark46]

I was horrified just to read that Simon Andrews was in hospital again after a bad crash. I`m sure hes crashed there before and he has had a couple of big crashes. I was saying to myself NO NO NO NO NO when I first heard the news.
Really sad news that he didn`t make it. Thoughts and prayers go to his family and friends.

 

[Mad Doug Biker]

Of course, it could be argued that if he hadn't hit the kerb then he might still be with us, so maybe some sort of barriers might have helped??