Reporting mobile use while driving

[BentMikey]

Nothing, bjellys just has an unjustified sense of entitlement, and feels like a poor put upon motorist, rather than realising the true nature of his obligations and duty of care.

 

[MissTillyFlop]

The cycling community me included pays F### All towards the roads if it wasn't for the motorists revenue income tax and vat would be astronomical.

Aside from motorways (which bicycles don't use), roads are paid for from council tax and income tax.

Vehicle tax was introduced in the 1888 budget and the current system of excise duty applying specifically to motor vehicles was introduced in 1920. This excise duty was ring-fenced for road construction and was paid directly into a special Road Fund from 1920 until 1937 after which it was treated as general taxation.[3] Even during this period the majority of the cost of road building and improvement came from general and local taxation due to the tax being too low for the upkeep of the roads

Also, if you wish cyclists to pay road tax, then do those who do not use any sort of road transport at get a rebate on all that general taxation they paid and didn't use?

Also disabled people are exempt from car tax, as are those with cars over 30 years old and those withvehicles with low emissions - are you going to get on their case as well?

 

[gaz]

I drive to work 650 miles a week ( no other choice ) and pay 62 % tax on every gallon of fuel I buy this equates to about £ 48 per week in fuel tax,so please don't try and tell me that the cyclists pays equal amounts into the proverbial pot they don't ! I would like to know how many members think they should pay road tax for their bike ?

If you want to bring in road tax for bicycles. Then I think it is only fair that it is done on the same system as all other forms or transportation.
And that is based on the CO2 emissions that the vehicle produces. So as a bicycle produces less than 100g of CO2 per km, it would pay £0.

So lets say that it costs £5 to make and distribute a single VED disc to a single bicycle.
In 2009, 3.5million bicycles where sold in the UK (compared to 1.9million cars). So lets say there are 5 million bicycles used on the roads in the UK
That would mean a cost of £25,000,000 to just send out VED discs, what about the cost of all the admin work?

 

[gavintc]

If you want to bring in road tax for bicycles. Then I think it is only fair that it is done on the same system as all other forms or transportation.
And that is based on the CO2 emissions that the vehicle produces. So as a bicycle produces less than 100g of CO2 per km, it would pay £0.

So lets say that it costs £5 to make and distribute a single VED disc to a single bicycle.
In 2009, 3.5million bicycles where sold in the UK (compared to 1.9million cars). So lets say there are 5 million bicycles used on the roads in the UK
That would mean a cost of £25,000,000 to just send out VED discs, what about the cost of all the admin work?

I am afraid that people like that simply quote the Daily Hate / Clarkson comments and are not using their brain. IMO cyclists are not perfect and could clean up their act in many ways, but VED and 'paying for the road' is not one of them.

 

[growingvegetables]

I am try trying to tell you there is a great big world outside of your little bubble.
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Correction - you're trying to tell us that the entire world should be managed for the convenience of your personal petrol tank. And as you've noticed, that kind of short-sightedness doesn't fly.

 

[benb]

I've come to the conclusion that idiots like this don't want cyclists to pay "road tax" (as a moment's thought would show that we would pay £0 under VED banding); they want us to pay a punitive cycling tax for having the temerity to cycle on "their" roads.

In other words, they simply want cycling to be less attractive: they want to price us off the roads.

Of course, they never seem to consider that if every cyclist drove instead, that would make their journey more congested and difficult not less. In fact, every cyclist is doing motorists a massive favour by taking up less room on the roads.

 

[bjellys]

I'll just say it again Looking at some of the other members comments about my posts I didn't realize you can only voice one point of view and that is yours.I just take a more laid back & less intense attitude towards these things and try to enjoy every moment of every day.I dont want to live in a Gestapo type state and I dont want to grass my own mum or dad up for using a mobile when driving as some members would.
That's me finished have a good day.

 

[benb]

No-one has said you can't have your own point of view, but you were posting factually inaccurate statements, so were challenged on them.

You're entitled to your own opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts.

 

[gaz]

I'll just say it again Looking at some of the other members comments about my posts I didn't realize you can only voice one point of view and that is yours.I just take a more laid back & less intense attitude towards these things and try to enjoy every moment of every day.I dont want to live in a Gestapo type state and I dont want to grass my own mum or dad up for using a mobile when driving as some members would.
That's me finished have a good day.

When your 'point of view' is factually incorrect (road tax, are you living in the 1930's?). Expect some replies about it

 

[BentMikey]

I would only report a driver for being on a mobile If they were a c#!t (e.g Chav being a moron in a golf polo he thinks is a Bugatti)
Or if they HIT me.
Doing it for the sake of it is petty and pointless. Will solve nothing except government debt slightly.

Incorrect. It's not pointless at all. Taking drivers to task for small transgressions will affect their future behaviour and if done often enough across the driving population, will significantly affect the KSI stats. That is not a bad thing.

 

[BentMikey]

Drivers will always whinge for being brought to task. Moan about parking tickets, speeding tickets. IT'S NOT FAIR WAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAH. *Puts in dummy*

They behave better next time, almost invariably.

 

[Hector]

Incorrect. It's not pointless at all. Taking drivers to task for small transgressions will affect their future behaviour and if done often enough across the driving population, will significantly affect the KSI stats. That is not a bad thing.

You got anything to back the above up?

 

[Hector]

Incorrect. It's not pointless at all. Taking drivers to task for small transgressions will affect their future behaviour and if done often enough across the driving population, will significantly affect the KSI stats. That is not a bad thing.

You got anything to back the above up?

 

[BentMikey]

I saw details of a study that found high levels of traffic policing did indeed do that. I didn't keep a link unfortunately. Maybe someone else on here has that?

 

[Vikeonabike]

I am now doing a bit of research so here are 3 Questions for the camera wielding cyclists

1. Would you report your mother or father for using a mobile while driving ?
2. If you are a car driver have you ever driven over the speed limit ?
3. do you smoke ?

I would like to see a bit of honesty in the answers please.

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1. I'd give them the ticket myself
2. Who hasn't but I am generally "Driving Miss Daisy" when not at work.
3. Never even tried one!