Red Light Jumping

[Angelfishsolo]

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No, I didn't miss the reply. Apollo answered your question without saying that he no longer jumps red lights. Which goes to show, as does the contradiction seen in his long post above, that he did not start this thread for the reason he claims. It's just a continuation of the last one, and an attempt to legitimise jumping lights.
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I read the "Yes" my actions have changed to mean he/she no longer runs Red Lights. One second reading my question was not as specific as it should have been and thus the answer meaningless.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

'Jedward behavior'
This is when 2 people hold an opinion that is different from MrPauls prompting MrPaul to conclude that the only explanation must be that the 2 people are in fact the same person.
In MrPauls narrow minded world it is inconceivable that there are 2 people that hold an opinion different from his own.

No it is when two people behave in exactly the same way. Like clones.

 

[dellzeqq]

perhaps a break is in order. Three and a quarter minutes of light relief http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Rk1PxpZ-hfE - and not a red light in sight!

 

[Dan B]

To summarise 38 pages of mainly dross:

1. RLJing is against the law. This is unlikely to change anytime soon.
2. If it is made legal, most people don't have a problem with it. See 1.

RLJing on roller skates is (as far as I can tell) most probably legal. Are you suggesting that most people don't have a problem with it? Although I haven't conducted extensive surveys this is definitely counter to my personal experience

 

[dellzeqq]

To summaridse the "MrPaul" scenario.
I started this topic to explore the issue of rljing beyong just the "its against the law therefore its wrong" perspective.
MrPauls tried to get me to disclose my own personal habits because MrPauls arguement basically is that in the real world noone rljs at 2 in the morning when it is safe, everyone rljs when it is busy and unsafe.
Obviously there is some truth in what MrPaul says but it is juxtapose to what the thread is about.
This topic is about considering circumsatnces where it is safe to navigate junctions and the implications that that has one the implementation of traffic lights.
I refused to cooperate with MrPauls personal line of inquiry as i thought it irrevevant and at odds with the Moderators direction : "Debate the issue, but don't make it personal. "
Ever since MrPaul has been on this bizarre crusade to biscredit me by painting me as a dangerous rljer etc etc rather than discuss the issue in a sensible manner.

 

[Raa]

To summarise 38 pages of mainly dross:

1. RLJing is against the law. This is unlikely to change anytime soon.
2. If it is made legal, most people don't have a problem with it. See 1.
3. The original question of "Is it only wrong because it is illegal" is irrelevant. It was made illegal for valid reasons of safety for the majority. It allows other road users to anticipate what will happen in a given situation. This is a good thing.
4. Yes we know that pedestrians operate outside these rules of consistency. Get over it.
5. Apollo is refusing to answer Mr Paul's question on the basis that it is personal. All questions directed towards a person are by nature personal. It does not mean it is a personal attack which is what the moderators wanted to cease on earlier threads.

Now I'm sure (or at least I would hope) that people have better things to do with their lives.

Now how do I block a thread.........

The main dross elements are when people play fast and loose with the facts.


Number 3 on your list is incorrect, Traffic lights were a response to the congestion caused by motor vehicles and did not exist before.

 

[martint235]

RLJing on roller skates is (as far as I can tell) most probably legal. Are you suggesting that most people don't have a problem with it? Although I haven't conducted extensive surveys this is definitely counter to my personal experience

I've not come across anyone with a problem with it.

To be fair it's not high up in my topics of conversation with people, when rollerskating is mentioned in a bad way it's usually people rollerskating in pedestrianised areas at speed that gets on people's nerves.

 

[martint235]

The main dross elements are when people play fast and loose with the facts.


Number 3 on your list is incorrect, Traffic lights were a response to the congestion caused by motor vehicles and did not exist before.

Nope sorry they were introduced to control competing flows of traffic which is more of a safety issue than a congestion issue. I doubt there was much congestion in 1868. Please check facts.

 

[dellzeqq]

The main dross elements are when people play fast and loose with the facts.


Number 3 on your list is incorrect, Traffic lights were a response to the congestion caused by motor vehicles and did not exist before.

I'm not so sure. The first traffic light was introduced in 1868 and killed a policeman

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Nope sorry they were introduced to control competing flows of traffic which is more of a safety issue than a congestion issue. I doubt there was much congestion in 1868. Please check facts.

That is really splitting hairs. One leads to the other.

 

[Raa]

pedantry in the extreme

 

[martint235]

The main dross elements are when people play fast and loose with the facts.


Number 3 on your list is incorrect, Traffic lights were a response to the congestion caused by motor vehicles and did not exist before.

That is really splitting hairs. One leads to the other.

pedantry in the extreme

Sorry but when someone says that the main dross is people playing fast and loose with facts, I don't think it's inappropriate or pedantry to point out when they haven't actually checked their own

 

[theclaud]

your ouroborous exchange

I might have to use that!

 

[Twigman]

I've not come across anyone with a problem with it.

Yes you have.

I have a problem with it.

 

[apollo179]

Sorry but when someone says that the main dross is people playing fast and loose with facts, I don't think it's inappropriate or pedantry to point out when they haven't actually checked their own

If martin235 feels that he has been unjustly treated then he is entitled to reply however pedantic it may appear to others.