Red Light Jumping

[apollo179]

STFU will you.

Theres no need for that.
Attempting to silence people just because they hold a different opinion from you is pretty indefensible.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

RLJ'ing has stopped happening, the lights are now green by default and only go red when a pedestrian pushes the button.

It was the other way around before.

I just wanted to clarify. I thought that was what you meant

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Theres no need for that.
Attempting to silence people just because they hold a different opinion from you is pretty indefensible.

Were you brought up in a bubble having no contact with other human beings?

 

[lukesdad]

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If you read around the statistic it was put forward as representing the view of forum members, when it isn't. Of course it's representative of the group that voted, but with no further information available (who voted) it can't be taken to represent any group because we don't know who they are.
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How about this for representative then, 6 of you squabbling on this thread. The rest dont give 2 hoots about RLJing or for that matter helmets ,cycling on the pavement,or secondary or primary position. Life goes on funnily enough.

 

[martint235]

How about this for representative then, 6 of you squabbling on this thread. The rest dont give 2 hoots about RLJing or for that matter helmets ,cycling on the pavement,or secondary or primary position. Life goes on funnily enough.

Ahhh Mark, are you trying to take the fun out of life indoors???

 

[Dan B]

Ok. @Dan, I've now met someone who has a problem with it. If they were rollerskating in the road, I would expect them to stop at a red light as they are technically a road user. However I can't find any specific mention in either the HC or the RTA.p

As they are (most probably) not a vehicle user, the laws relating to vehicular conduct at traffic lights don't apply. Nevertheless, most people do indeed expect that skaters in the road will stop at traffic lights, their legal status as supercharged pedestrians notwithstanding.

(Is a rollerskate a vehicle? Am I really wearing a vehicle on each foot? It's an interesting grey area if that's the kind of thing that you find interesting. The DfT don't know, and I suspect nor will anybody until such unfortunate time as there is case law, but the RVLR updates required will be challenging)

My point here, such as it is, is that the desirable situation is that road users act predictably and in accordance with custom and convention, and that the law per se is pretty much immaterial except insofar as it establishes what those conventions are. We're mostly all agreed that the law on entering ASL reservoirs other than via the feeder lane is not an important one, aren't we?

 

[apollo179]

How about this for representative then, 6 of you squabbling on this thread. The rest dont give 2 hoots about RLJing or for that matter helmets ,cycling on the pavement,or secondary or primary position. Life goes on funnily enough.

7 including you.

 

[martint235]

As they are (most probably) not a vehicle user, the laws relating to vehicular conduct at traffic lights don't apply. Nevertheless, most people do indeed expect that skaters in the road will stop at traffic lights, their legal status as supercharged pedestrians notwithstanding.

(Is a rollerskate a vehicle? Am I really wearing a vehicle on each foot? It's an interesting grey area if that's the kind of thing that you find interesting. The DfT don't know, and I suspect nor will anybody until such unfortunate time as there is case law, but the RVLR updates required will be challenging)

My point here, such as it is, is that the desirable situation is that road users act predictably and in accordance with custom and convention, and that the law per se is pretty much immaterial except insofar as it establishes what those conventions are. We're mostly all agreed that the law on entering ASL reservoirs other than via the feeder lane is not an important one, aren't we?

I think so. I tend not to use ASLs often unless I'm the first in the queue to arrive.

Quite a few ASLs round here don't even have feeder lanes either.

 

[apollo179]

Were you brought up in a bubble having no contact with other human beings?

Are trying to stifle opinions you dont agree with and the use of bad language things that you agree with ?
Cos i dont.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Are trying to stifle opinions you dont agree with and the use of bad language things that you agree with ?
Cos i dont.

In what way am I stiffening opinions? I am simply trying to point out that such phrases are commonly used when a discussion gets interesting.

 

[apollo179]

In what way am I stiffening opinions? I am simply trying to point out that such phrases are commonly used when a discussion gets interesting.

"STFU" imho is not conducive to the free airing of opinions and exchange of ideas.
You seem to think my position on this is bizarre -
"Were you brought up in a bubble having no contact with other human beings? "
The implication being that stifling opinions you dont agree with and the use of bad language is ok with you.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

"STFU" imho is not conducive to the free airing of opinions and exchange of ideas.
You seem to think my position on this is bizarre -
"Were you brought up in a bubble having no contact with other human beings? "
The implication being that stifling opinions you dont agree with and the use of bad language is ok with you.

OMG. I take it that the people you associate with are all perfectly polite and never swear then. Living in a bubble referred to not having listened to how people talk to each other! STFU is a term of exasperation as much as anything else.

 

[apollo179]

OMG. I take it that the people you associate with are all perfectly polite and never swear then. Living in a bubble referred to not having listened to how people talk to each other! STFU is a term of exasperation as much as anything else.

Fine - if its ok with you then its ok with you.
I was just voicing another opinion.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Fine - if its ok with you then its ok with you.
I was just voicing another opinion.

I understand that and I simply asked you a question.

 

[apollo179]

I understand that and I simply asked you a question.

yes.
"Were you brought up in a bubble having no contact with other human beings? "
A question that implies that my opinion that trying to stifle opinions you dont agree with and the use of bad language is not ok is in some way bizarre.
Do you think it is bizarre?