Red Light Jumping

[Angelfishsolo]

Apologies, I should have used one of those expressing yellow face things

I should have as well. My reply was a bolt on to yours

 

[martint235]

Apologies, I should have used one of those expressing yellow face things

I'm sure there are some pink ones too.

Sent while following my Garmin's instructions

 

[Norm]

Maybe it's just me, but i don't get why people think it's ok TO rlj, whether on a bike, in a car, whatever. The law is (as far as I know), that if the light's red, you stop. I've been at junctions several times where cyclists have rlj'd and narrowly missed being hit by cars coming across the juntion. And, when i'm out cycling OR driving and see a cyclist jump a red light, it winds me up and makes me want to shout 'Oi, red light' at them. No wonder some people hate cyclists......
Again, it's probably me, but if it is 1 or 2am and i'm driving and the light's red, I'll stop. Possibly i wouldn't if i were cycling at this time of the night, but i've never done it, so i don't know.

Indeed.

Also, if some think it's OK to choose which laws to follow and which can be broken because you are on a bike and can get away with it, there's a continuum from riding without pedal reflectors to crossing red lights to cycling in pedestrianised areas to cycling the wrong way up a one way street to cycling on the wrong side of the road to cycling on the wrong side of the road at night without lights to cycling on the hard shoulder of a motorway to... etc. Most people would, I guess, consider some of those to be ok and others to be beyond the line, where we draw the line will be different.

I'm all for working to get the laws changed but, as they stand currently, I obey them. (except pedal reflectors, but I have reflectors on my shoes and wear reflectives on my ankles instead ).

 

[Angelfishsolo]

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[martint235]

Are you ever likely to be able to get over it?

Time heals all wounds they say!!

 

[Raa]

Speaking for yourself, would you accept that the same logic apples to all vehicles?

Well, of course not, my car and motorcycle both have number plates, meaning the chances of being busted are much, much, higher, therefore I would always stop. Given the vastly greater potential of motor vehicles over bicycles to cause harm to others, this seems an entirely reasonable situation.

 

[Raa]

So is it reasonable that as I am poor I can shoplift?

You mean, if you were hungry and had no money, would it be reasonable to shoplift?

I don't know. Interesting question, you could run a long way with it.

BTW it is nice to see that you have softened your line and are no longer comparing RLJ'ing to murder

 

[Sheffield_Tiger]

Well, of course not, my car and motorcycle both have number plates, meaning the chances of being busted are much, much, higher, therefore I would always stop. Given the vastly greater potential of motor vehicles over bicycles to cause harm to others, this seems an entirely reasonable situation.

Chances of being busted? Cyclists get away with it and cars don't? See my earlier post

EIGHT vehicles driving through a clear no entry sign.

This happens daily, probably at any time 8 vehicles, because of restriction a 3 minute light phase so 8 vehicles queueing every 3 minutes = 20 changes * 8 cars = 160 cars p/h * 3hr = 480 cars per day over the course of a morning, because "it's not really a no-entry because the sign changes at 10am, so it's okay to go through it at 8am"

I wonder if 480 cyclists jump a red light in Sheffield every morning?

 

[thehairycycler]

You mean, if you were hungry and had no money, would it be reasonable to shoplift?

I don't know. Interesting question, you could run a long way with it.

BTW it is nice to see that you have softened your line and are no longer comparing RLJ'ing to murder

If they were that hungry they wouldn't be able to run that far with it, a short distance to get away from the scene due to adrenalin maybe

 

[CopperCyclist]

Obedience to unfair regressive laws is one step on the road to fascism!

Remind me to beat the shoot out of the next rapist/robber I arrest and quote you as justification.

Please don't go down that path. If there are laws you disagree with, you write to your MP, you raise e-petitions - you don't claim they are 'facist'. Hell, simply ignore them and be willing to pay the accepted price laid down in law if you must, but don't claim some righteous crusade in the ignoring of them!

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Remind me to beat the shoot out of the next rapist/robber I arrest and quote you as justification.

Please don't go down that path. If there are laws you disagree with, you write to your MP, you raise e-petitions - you don't claim they are 'facist'. Hell, simply ignore them and be willing to pay the accepted price laid down in law if you must, but don't claim some righteous crusade in the ignoring of them!

What is it about this site that is causing it to attract :troll: s?

 

[Sheffield_Tiger]

Remind me to beat the shoot out of the next rapist/robber I arrest and quote you as justification.

Please don't go down that path. If there are laws you disagree with, you write to your MP, you raise e-petitions - you don't claim they are 'facist'. Hell, simply ignore them and be willing to pay the accepted price laid down in law if you must, but don't claim some righteous crusade in the ignoring of them!

Much of our modern society is built upon the tradition of civil disobedience.....

 

[Raa]

Remind me to beat the shoot out of the next rapist/robber I arrest and quote you as justification.

Please don't go down that path. If there are laws you disagree with, you write to your MP, you raise e-petitions - you don't claim they are 'facist'. Hell, simply ignore them and be willing to pay the accepted price laid down in law if you must, but don't claim some righteous crusade in the ignoring of them!

I suggest you go to the link and read the article to which the comment refered. Thankfully we don't have those laws here but if we did it would definitly be fascist and any disobedience would be highly commendable.

So far the daily reality of bicyclists ignoring red lights has been compared to: murder, assault and battery, and shoplifting. Can people please get real!!!

 

[Raa]

What is it about this site that is causing it to attract :troll: s?

So anyone with a differing viewpoint is a

? I think your fascist tendencies are really beginning to show

 

[Raa]

Much of our modern society is built upon the tradition of civil disobedience.....

yes indeed....