Rear radar - any good?

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Mr Celine

Mr Celine

Discordian
I know you did. That's why I posted the above.

The user manual doesn't say that it is *not* compatible. What it appears to do is list the *current* models in each range with which it *is* compatible. It's rather poorly worded, given that their product sales page explicitly says that the two devices you have (or had) are compatible. I think that's why they are directing you there. i.e. since they don't want to put all their old models, with which it's compatible, in the manual. Hardly a novelty for Garmin, that sort of thing. (By which I mean both both lack-lustre documentation and encouraging pointless 'upgrades'.)
The user manual implies that only the listed models are compatible. And why would anyone follow instructions for a device they don't have? I see now that the product sales page says it's compatible, but this was a gift - I'd never seen that page!
If their strategy is to increase sales by encouraging pointless upgrades it failed spectacularly as a previously sold product has been returned.
 
If their strategy is to increase sales by encouraging pointless upgrades it failed spectacularly as a previously sold product has been returned.
I agree. They ought to have a full table in the manual. It's misleading at best.
 
I have the Garmin radar without camera.

I think it's a great bit of kit. (Factor in the CC anti tech bias when reading these threads).

I think it's great - you get early warning when a car is behind - and green LEDs (wahoo) as the car passes and the road behind us clear.

It's a welcome addition to safety kit. As an older guy my neck ain't as flexible as it once was - so it's great to have this extra indicator.

Yeah I know - mirrors/maps/steel frames .....but thumbs up for the radar from me. But I'm going to be getting on of those mini electric portable pumps soon.
 
With regard to connection I think you have simply been unlucky. I'm currently using a borrowed Garmin Varia with light and radar only. It connected seamlessly and first time with my Wahoo Roam. It now connects every time the Roam is within range.

I too was in the why bother camp, another bit of unnecessary tech. Last June I was hit from behind by a tractor driver doing 35mph. Yes, I knew it was there but didn't know it would hit me!!!!

In October I began to consider a Varia. A friend offered to lend me his old one to trial before buying from him. I have previously relied on sound and frequent shoulder checks. I became aware people with a Varia would call "car back" before I heard it. For me this is a game changer.

The Varia picks up vehicles 200+ metres away. I then shoulder check to see what is there and what action, if any, I should take. After a major RTC, which I'm lucky to have survived, the Varia gives me added confidence.

Two points to stress it is most definitely NOT a safety device but an information device. Secondly it's no substitute for the correct shoulder checks when maneuvering or when one is informed of a vehicle behind

If you decide to give it another go don't bother with the camera version. As a friend commented all it does is give your family a video of you being wiped out. A video of the tractor driver running me down would have made no difference to his being charged with due care or the outcome of the PI and property claims I have against him.

I think this is a valuable piece of kit and I speak as someone who dismissed it as a gimmick......until I used it.

Agree with every word. Very comprehensive summary.
 

Dadam

Über Member
Location
SW Leeds
It is probably like mine and the beeps can be disabled if you spend a few minutes going through the menu

probably - if I ever buy another car I will be checking this out before I part with any money - mine was annoying when I first got it!

I found the multitone beeps really annoying but I set it to a basic single beep when it picks up a new signal which I found a nice compromise.
 

Gwylan

Veteran
Location
All at sea⛵
For Christmas Mrs Celine bought me a combined rear camera / radar / light.

After rearranging / removing everything else from my seatpost I fitted it but couldn't get it to pair with my computer.

All else having failed I downloaded and read the manual, which informed me the two aren't compatible. My present promptly went back in its box and was returned for a refund.

It has, however, piqued my interest. A rear camera would have been useful but I'd never heard of a radar. Does anyone have one? Do they work? Or are they just another annoying bit of tech that has to be charged before every ride?

I have a camera that I can view on my smart phone.
Works well for watching cars approaching. Or keeping track of the followers in the peloton.
 
That's not what the national standard for driving requires, is it?
I believe it is, yes. Having just checked, multiple sources cite numbers around that range; often 5-8 seconds. This one for example: https://www.driving101.co.uk/hub/beginners/mirrors-effective-use/ Obviously, the required frequency will vary, as you say, but it's often more than is practical for a cyclist doing a full 'shoulder check' movement.
EDIT: Highway Code rule 161 says (first of three points):
'use your mirrors frequently so that you always know what is behind and to each side of you'
I suggest that 'frequently' is very much in the 5-8 second area, though I certainly agree that it'll be way fewer seconds in a busy town than it would be in the Fens / other long straight roads with no junctions.

Now I'm wondering how you look rearward if you think it's easier at remarkably low speed.
I rotate my head to point in a backward direction and look down the road. I'm calling that a 'shoulder check' as a shorthand for 'look backwards in a manner sufficient to establish comprehensive situational awareness of traffic and events behind me which may be actionable', which is a teeny bit verbose. Earlier you said:
If you're going too fast to look back safely, you're probably going faster than is safe.
It's from the above that I inferred that you considered it easier to look backwards when going more slowly.

Is it always worth knowing? Most drivers around here where we have to share the roads are cool, so beep-beep-beep would be mostly an irrelevant worry any time I wouldn't otherwise look. The few drivers who are a problem that you might be able to react to... well, you tend to hear them coming a long way off, as they're all revs, rage and thundering tyres. And what can you do anyway? It's been pretty obvious most times I've had to hit the hedge.
Well I think it is, yes. I entirely agree that, often, a problematic vehicle approaching will be audible. That's not always true though, notably in a strong headwind, where the nature of sound transmission means that you may not hear something approaching from behind. I invariably, on knowing that there is a vehicle behind me from whatever source (mirror, radar, engine or wheel noise reflections in something, etc.) want to know whether it's going around me or about to fail to do so since the diver is not paying attention. If I know this, I can then potentially do something about the impending problem. If I don't, I can't, and I don't much like that option. So, yes, I always want to know. If you don't, that's fine too of course.

How often I look behind tends to be based on how many seconds of road behind me were clear when I last looked, and I don't find it difficult to hear approaching large vehicles in most wind conditions because I don't deafen myself with headphones or straps that catch the wind over my ears. Rain thumping on my hood does make it more difficult but even then, it's do-able, as the rain is a far higher pitch than the tyres. I suspect rain would make it more difficult to hear the beeper than it does the cars.
Me too. In addition to large vehicles, I also like to hear small, quiet vehicles though, since I'd also rather not be hit by them, though I suppose a small car is preferable to a large lorry if a collision is compulsory for some reason. Even though I'm not deafened by headphones or straps, etc., and have apparently working hearing, I am 100% certain that I sometimes do not hear things approaching. For those instances, mirror and radar are useful to me. Obviously they aren't to you, but plenty of people do find that helpful and I'm one of them.
 
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Emanresu

I asked AI to show the 'real' me.
As has been said above, it's one of those devices that you'll either need or not need. As my hearing is way under par, and my sight is not that far behind, it provides awareness of what's behind you - to an extent. It does have a blind spot in that it measures comparative speed, so if there is a car shadowing you, you might not be aware. So looking behind is still necessary.

Mine is paired with RWGPS on the phone and a Sena helmet so I can hear the warnings over the wind noise. If you have good hearing or good sight, then it's not likely to be worth it. Me, I like to return home after every ride.
 

ColinJ

Puzzle game procrastinator!
I don't deafen myself with... straps that catch the wind over my ears.
I was shocked how much difference they make!

I was suffering really badly from the turbulent airflow over my ears on some of our very fast local descents. There is one that I can hit nearly 90 kph (55 mph) on if the wind conditions are right (wrong!?).

It was not only painful, it was worrying me that I was damaging my hearing. I already have a 40-50% hearing loss so I don't want to speed up any further loss! I soon found THIS worrying article... :eek:

After that I experimented, and found that I could reduce the turbulent flow a lot by putting some twists in the helmet straps. It doesn't look good, but it stiffens the straps and stops them flapping about wildly in the wind. It reduces the noise significantly and it only takes a few minutes to try, so give it a go and see what you think?
 

geocycle

Legendary Member
I’m abig fan of the Varia. It really is like having an additional sense on top of hearing, looking and cyclist self preservation. I mainly use it to confirm what I have heard behind, how many vehicles and whether they are approaching at speed. It’s very useful when descending and Im picking a route through potholes with a suspicion that I’ve heard cars behind, but cannot easily swivel to check. I have two, the Varia with light and the radar only, both used with a wahoo elemnt bolt. The light is good with lots of modes and for some reason has twice the battery life of the radar only. I’d not recommend the radar only version especially as with some head units you can turn the light off leaving just the radar.
 
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mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
I believe it is, yes. Having just checked, multiple sources cite numbers around that range; often 5-8 seconds. This one for example: https://www.driving101.co.uk/hub/beginners/mirrors-effective-use/
Why believe what looks like autogenerated froth when the national standard is itself online? If you passed your driving test in the last 30 or so years since this version was adopted, you should have seen this before and know it exists (else your instructor was a bit shoot): https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-standard-for-driving-cars-and-light-vans-category-b

Obviously, the required frequency will vary, as you say, but it's often more than is practical for a cyclist doing a full 'shoulder check' movement.
EDIT: Highway Code rule 161 says (first of three points):
'use your mirrors frequently so that you always know what is behind and to each side of you'
I suggest that 'frequently' is very much in the 5-8 second area, though I certainly agree that it'll be way fewer seconds in a busy town than it would be in the Fens / other long straight roads with no junctions.
I suggest that seems like interpreting the code to support one's prior belief. The standard requires that you make effective use of the mirrors and checking them too often for the situation is likely to be as ineffective as not checking them enough.

I rotate my head to point in a backward direction and look down the road. I'm calling that a 'shoulder check' as a shorthand for 'look backwards in a manner sufficient to establish comprehensive situational awareness of traffic and events behind me which may be actionable', which is a teeny bit verbose.
OK. That's not a shoulder check. A shoulder check is closer to the motorcyclist's "lifesaver" or driver's blind-spot check. It will be easier to discuss things if people don't use well-known terms to mean unusual things.

Earlier you said:

It's from the above that I inferred that you considered it easier to look backwards when going more slowly.
To a point! Obviously, you need to be going slowly enough that nothing is likely to crop up in front of you in the time it takes to look back. There's no need to take it to absurd extremes like it being so slow it causes other problems...

Well I think it is, yes. I entirely agree that, often, a problematic vehicle approaching will be audible. That's not always true though, notably in a strong headwind, where the nature of sound transmission means that you may not hear something approaching from behind.
Serious question: how strong does a headwind have to be to prevent sound transmission? And would many still be cycling into it?

[...] fail to do so since the diver is not paying attention. If I know this, I can then potentially do something about the impending problem. If I don't, I can't, and I don't much like that option. So, yes, I always want to know. If you don't, that's fine too of course.
As I already asked, "what can you do anyway?" I've heard the ones coming when I've ended up in the hedge: radar not needed. Seen at least two of them, too. I also saw the one that hit me, as that came from the front so wouldn't have shown on a rear radar.

Me too. In addition to large vehicles, I also like to hear small, quiet vehicles though, since I'd also rather not be hit by them, though I suppose a small car is preferable to a large lorry if a collision is compulsory for some reason.
A small car is still a large vehicle. 1000+kg rather than the 100 of a bike+rider.

Even though I'm not deafened by headphones or straps, etc., and have apparently working hearing, I am 100% certain that I sometimes do not hear things approaching. For those instances, mirror and radar are useful to me. Obviously they aren't to you, but plenty of people do find that helpful and I'm one of them.
If you sometimes don't hear things approaching, then apparently you don't have full enough hearing, so use whatever aids like this you find helpful to compensate. They really aren't worth the cost and faff for many, but I fully support you using them, and it's great fun for others repeatedly racing up behind one and triggering the beeps, then dropping back to repeat.

I really do suspect that some users are using them to go faster than they can handle, imagining themselves to be like some computer-guided pro, or it's all a zwift game.
 

abcd efg

Über Member
I have had a Varia (without the camera) for a couple of years now and I find it to really worthwhile bit of kit. It is simple to use although it was a bit complicated to get set up as I struggle with modern electronics. But a couple of phone calls to Garmin's help desk and their always helpful support people got me sorted.

I use it everytime I go out on my bike and wouldn't be without it at any time. It doesn't replace having a look behind when a corner or turn is coming up but what it does so well is to give me not only a 'picture' of what is happening directly behind me, but much further back as well.

Regards to all
 

Psamathe

Senior Member
Except for cases like recumbent riders who can't find a way to see behind them ...
I don't have a problem. Got two mirrors (one each side) though as much to avoid moving them around in ferry ports (in UK left mirror of limited help).

A bit more limited with fully laden panniers but doesn't take much to lean a little and no problem.

Ian
 

YMFB

Regular
I use a Garmin Varia with 1030 Plus computer, the radar is the most impressive part of the setup. I wouldn’t be without it.
 
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