Pro-helmet article on BBC One Show right now

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Are you kidding? Are you actually saying it's better to go without a helmet in a crash at a speed greater than that which it was designed for?
If so and you can't see how flawed that logic is then I don't see any point in this conversation.


My logic isn't flawed it's thought through. You seem to know the answer to what many of us would like to know. You're assuming that the helmet would absorb the impact to it's design standard. How do you know this? I can see three or four possibilities.

1) the one you hope for and i hope for. That the helmet absorbs the impact and only transmits a smaller force
2) It fails catastrophically and absorbs no force
2) It transmits all of the force to your head so your brain ping pongs around in your skull.

How do you know which would happen?

Look at the design standard of helmets, it's quite limited. Ask yourself why they don't do a test where a helmet hits a tree at 20mph, a car at 30mph, is run over by a skip lorry at 10mph. They wouldn't be dificult to simulate but perhaps the test are limited because the design is limited. It is, after all a bit of foam with a plastic cover.

Now ask yourself what the greatest risk to a cyclist is and what would be the best policy to pursue. Compulsory helmets or rider and driver education?

If you can't see the logic in any of that or the flaw in arguing for compulsion or the emotional blackmail of your arguments based on no fact or logic, then you're right. Continuing the conversation is pointless
 

on the road

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I fell off mine on a footpath completely alone, not a car in sight. All my own fault. Thought i was quite safe too :whistle:
Like I said, I read the road ahead and behind, you obviously don't seeing as you fell off.
 

4F

Active member of Helmets Are Sh*t Lobby
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Like I said, I read the road ahead and behind, you obviously don't seeing as you fell off.

He was unable to read the road ahead as he stated he was on the footpath, another good reason why it is bad to cycle on footpaths. :biggrin:
 

Davidc

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Somerset UK
For anyone who really wants to spend time on this subject, the nearest I've found to a neutral website is here and the only page I've actually read in detail is this one.

It's based on Australian experience and is compiled by an Australian journalist.

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I often wonder how anyone can ride a bike in Australia while wearing a helmet. My head gets too hot in one here for about a third of the time I'm riding, so I have to take it off before the effects of heat cause me to have an accident. What's it like in a hotter place like Oz?
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
Just a thought many people around the world have said a helmet saved their lives or lessened their injuries, I cannot find anybody who says they would be alive today if they had not worn one.

What about the converse too?

The whole area needs proper conducted research.


Those who are strong supporters of helmet wearing - is your helmet less than 3 years old, have you replaced it after a crash, to which standards was it tested, and most importantly - is it done up properly. I wear a helmet myself (most of the time), however it isn't always adjusted properly I admit - though no where near as bad as a significant proportion of helmet wearers. I am not expecting magical powers from my helmet - it's a good way of keeping my hair out of my face.
 

andyg9053

Active Member
1% of head injury admissions are cyclists, 40% are falls and 60% alcohol related...............

What a load of crap, any 10 year old will tell you that percentages are 100 not 101 .......................
 

Jezston

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London
Quite. Those percentages aren't mutually exclusive of each other.
 

theclaud

Openly Marxist
Location
Swansea
I can vouch for that as I saw Dan alive on the Bognor FNRttC..

The jury's out after Brighton, mind...

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raindog

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Location
France
Good grief, another bloody argument about helmets? We had two threads on the go at the same time a short while ago and it took weeks to get rid of 'em. :biggrin:
 
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