Police, primary and politness

[Angelfishsolo]

That doesn't nullify the definition of summary justice. A summary execution is a type[/] of summary justice.

Have you had bad experiences with the Police per chance?

 

[Adasta]

Just to add to that, there are also cops who specialise in certain aspects of "Policing" ie. Collision Investigation, Forensics, Crime Investigation, Traffic, Family Liaison etc. It takes a lot of training and years of experience to become very competent in any area of these specialist roles and due to the lower numbers involved, they tend to be utilised, only in more serious cases.

Hopefully without sounding disrespectful to CopperCyclist and forum colleagues, 24/7 response (panda) crews tend to be younger in service and less experienced, and have to be "jacks of all trades" for want of a better phrase.
You can't possibly turn out a fully fledged and fully experienced cop, after only two years probation and ask them to be fully conversant with every act and section, of every law.... it just can't be done !

Experience is gained over time.

So why didn't they send someone more experienced? BSRU's case isn't one of the usual bump 'n' shunts in Swindon? I really think a motorcycle copper would've had a better understanding.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

So why didn't they send someone more experienced? BSRU's case isn't one of the usual bump 'n' shunts in Swindon? I really think a motorcycle copper would've had a better understanding.

Any number of reasons. Road Traffic fatalities, the chasing of a murderer escaped in a car. Just use your imagination FFS.

 

[apollo179]

Any number of reasons. Road Traffic fatalities, the chasing of a murderer escaped in a car. Just use your imagination FFS.

Fair comment - you cant expect to be dealt with by a policeman whos a cycle specialist. It gets dealt with by whoevers available / nearest.

 

[Adasta]

Have you had bad experiences with the Police per chance?

Not at all, and this attitude is not helpful. My point is sound; I just don't accept the "our brave boys" rhetoric. Just because you or someone you know is a copper that does not make them untouchable due to a skewed morality. I am grateful for what they do but that does not elevate them above me. Their role is to enforce the law; that did not occur here.

As I said, there's more to this case than to most RTAs. I think the case was mismanaged; I'd appeal it. The policeman who spoke to the OP should never have been sent in the first place.

I don't see how anything I've said could be construed as an ad hominem attack, which is how I feel it's been seen.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Not at all, and this attitude is not helpful. My point is sound; I just don't accept the "our brave boys" rhetoric. Just because you or someone you know is a copper that does not make them untouchable to due a skewed morality. I am grateful for what they do but that does not elevate them above me. Their role is to enforce the law; that did not occur here.

As I said, there's more to this case than to most RTAs. I think the case was mismanaged; I'd appeal it. The policeman who spoke to the OP should never have been sent in the first place.

I don't see how anything I've said could be construed as an ad hominem attack, which is how I feel it's been seen.

Yes, the OP had a raw deal and he has grounds to appeal. The case is not over. Summary Justice has not been served in the slightest.

 

[twobiker]

Dixon of Dock Green or Regan, there's just no pleasing some people.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Dixon of Dock Green or Regan, there's just no pleasing some people.

Let us not forget Gene Hunt!

 

[apollo179]

Let us not forget Gene Hunt!

Juliet Bravo.

 

[Adasta]

I'm very glad they are there but telling someone that he was lucky not to be penalised when he was clearly the injured party is a threat towards summary justice.

That's what I said. I did not said it had been done. The definition of summary justice is the definition of summary justice. What you think about that is irrelevant, really.


I don't know why you take every comment about the police to heart, but that's your choice. But don't start getting tetchy at me about it. All I said is that a traffic cop should have dealt with it. If a panda car copper is too inexperienced to deal with it, then he shouldn't have been sent. I realise the police are busy, but I'm sure a motorcycle cop could've been sent at some point.

 

[Red Light]

From reading this thread it seems to me there are two things the police could usefully do to improve matters:

1. If you know the law, apply it. If you don't don't make the law up. Either let it go for trivial matters or find out for serious ones
2. Just because you have to deal with a lot of the lowest lifeforms in society don't assume everyone you encounter is one of them. So don't treat that cyclist you are dealing with as if they have a hidden career as a drug crazed gun running hardened criminal. Most people are just ordinary people and deserve to be treated as such.

 

[twobiker]

From reading this thread it seems to me there are two things the police could usefully do to improve matters:

1. If you know the law, apply it. If you don't don't make the law up. Either let it go for trivial matters or find out for serious ones
2. Just because you have to deal with a lot of the lowest lifeforms in society don't assume everyone you encounter is one of them. So don't treat that cyclist you are dealing with as if they have a hidden career as a drug crazed gun running hardened criminal. Most people are just ordinary people and deserve to be treated as such.

 

[twobiker]

Juliet Bravo.

 

[apollo179]

Shed kick your ass.

 

[snailracer]

...If you know the law, apply it. If you don't don't make the law up...

Steady on there, a good chunk of the legal system exists mainly to interpret and argue about what the law is or when certain laws should be applied. Even a panel of High Court judges can disagree, whereupon a verdict goes by a majority vote, which is absurd if you think about it.

If the law was so obvious, lawyers would not be necessary. You can not reasonably expect a policeman in the street to know much about the law.

Every now and then, a court will find a cyclist guilty of "obstruction" for riding in primary. To date, these have always been cleared on appeal to a higher court, nonetheless it proves that if a court can get the law wrong, then it is entirely unrealistic to expect the police to always get it right.