Police, primary and politness

[Angelfishsolo]

Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

However difficult it is for the police to know everything, if the enforcers of the law don't know what they're enforcing, what hope do we have?

Why do you think there are lawyers who specialise in certain areas of the law?

 

[Adasta]

Why do you think there are lawyers who specialise in certain areas of the law?

Because there is a difference between enforcing the law on the street and enforcing the law litigiously. It's somewhat unnerving to think that the person that could be doling out "summary justice" may not be wholly informed.


In terms of the OP, it would have made sense for a traffic/motorcycle policeman to speak to him.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Because there is a difference between enforcing the law on the street and enforcing the law litigiously. It's somewhat unnerving to think that the person that could be doling out "summary justice" may not be wholly informed.


In terms of the OP, it would have made sense for a traffic/motorcycle policeman to speak to him.

Police do not dole out summary justice (unless you live inside a 2000AD comic). The Police Officers who have posted here have portrayed themselves as human beings, fallible and flawed just like the rest of us. I admire that honesty.

On another point, are you telling me that you know ever nuance of your job and would never have to reference anything?

 

[apollo179]

Police do not dole out summary justice (unless you live inside a 2000AD comic). The Police Officers who have posted here have portrayed themselves as human beings, fallible and flawed just like the rest of us. I admire that honesty.

On another point, are you telling me that you know ever nuance of your job and would never have to reference anything?

Well said.
The police are trained to be assertive and forcefull and this can sometimes be perceived as arrogant and overbearing. It may sometimes rub people the wrong way but the reality is that they have to be like this - they woudnt get very far going in like WPC Lorriane Kelly and PC Jedwood. Aside from the occasional glaring exception the police are ok and we should cut them some slack.
for the police.

 

[doog]

Because there is a difference between enforcing the law on the street and enforcing the law litigiously. It's somewhat unnerving to think that the person that could be doling out "summary justice" may not be wholly informed.


In terms of the OP, it would have made sense for a traffic/motorcycle policeman to speak to him.

summary justice is a'kick in the nuts' not a fixed penalty ticket

...bring back summary justice I say.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

summary justice is a'kick in the nuts' not a fixed penalty ticket

...bring back summary justice I say.

Bring back the 1970's style policing you mean

 

[Adasta]

Police do not dole out summary justice (unless you live inside a 2000AD comic). The Police Officers who have posted here have portrayed themselves as human beings, fallible and flawed just like the rest of us. I admire that honesty.

On another point, are you telling me that you know ever nuance of your job and would never have to reference anything?

So what do you call the OP's admonishment by the policeman? The police are the physical representation of the law with all the responsibility that entails. I have not implied that the police are inhuman. But the problem is that you are trying to uphold and enforce the abstract concept of justice and then writing off your efforts by saying "Well, we're only human!" If we think like that, why have police at all? If you became a policeman you entered into this understanding. I could not be a policeman; that is why I am not one.

I'm very glad they are there but telling someone that he was lucky not to be penalised when he was clearly the injured party is a threat towards summary justice.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

So what do you call the OP's admonishment by the policeman? The police are the physical representation of the law with all the responsibility that entails. I have not implied that the police are inhuman. But the problem is that you are trying to uphold and enforce the abstract concept of justice and then writing off your efforts by saying "Well, we're only human!" If we think like that, why have police at all? If you became a policeman you entered into this understanding. I could not be a policeman; that is why I am not one.

I'm very glad they are there but telling someone that he was lucky not to be penalised when he was clearly the injured party is a threat towards summary justice.

The OP's experience was a bad one and I doubt very much if anyone here would disagree. However what her experienced was NOT summary justice. If the Police Officer had put the OP in cells for several nights that would have been summary justice.

 

[davefb]

Never used Usenet then?

QFT.

 

[Adasta]

The OP's experience was a bad one and I doubt very much if anyone here would disagree. However what her experienced was NOT summary justice. If the Police Officer had put the OP in cells for several nights that would have been summary justice.

Summary justice is a system in criminal law that punishes offenders in a speedy, informal manner without a court hearing or jury trial.

Like a Fixed Penalty Notice.

Summary justice isn't just "taking the law into our own hands" or killing a spy in Soviet Russia.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Like a Fixed Penalty Notice.

Summary justice isn't just "taking the law into our own hands" or killing a spy in Soviet Russia.

You can appeal an FPN. You can not appeal being killed (to my knowledge anyway).

 

[G-Zero]

Why do you think there are lawyers who specialise in certain areas of the law?

Just to add to that, there are also cops who specialise in certain aspects of "Policing" ie. Collision Investigation, Forensics, Crime Investigation, Traffic, Family Liaison etc. It takes a lot of training and years of experience to become very competent in any area of these specialist roles and due to the lower numbers involved, they tend to be utilised, only in more serious cases.

Hopefully without sounding disrespectful to CopperCyclist and forum colleagues, 24/7 response (panda) crews tend to be younger in service and less experienced, and have to be "jacks of all trades" for want of a better phrase.
You can't possibly turn out a fully fledged and fully experienced cop, after only two years probation and ask them to be fully conversant with every act and section, of every law.... it just can't be done !

Experience is gained over time.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Just to add to that, there are also cops who specialise in certain aspects of "Policing" ie. Collision Investigation, Forensics, Crime Investigation, Traffic, Family Liaison etc. It takes a lot of training and years of experience to become very competent in any area of these specialist roles and due to the lower numbers involved, they tend to be utilised, only in more serious cases.

Hopefully without sounding disrespectful to CopperCyclist and forum colleagues, 24/7 response (panda) crews tend to be younger in service and less experienced, and have to be "jacks of all trades" for want of a better phrase.
You can't possibly turn out a fully fledged and fully experienced cop, after only two years probation and ask them to be fully conversant with every act and section, of every law.... it just can't be done !

Experience is gained over time.

Amen to that.

 

[BSRU]

We should remember an officer is a finite resource, the more time they spend filling in paper work back at base the less time they are acting as a deterrent on our streets.

If we want officers to give the required time to investigate everything, from the very minor to the very serious, we need to pay more taxes for more officers and reduce unnecessary paperwork.

 

[Adasta]

You can appeal an FPN. You can not appeal being killed (to my knowledge anyway).

That doesn't nullify the definition of summary justice. A summary execution is a type of summary justice.