Police fining cyclist for breaking the law..

[Angelfishsolo]

Hardly any clip in style pedals come with reflectors.

It would be very unlikely that a cyclist would get prosecuted for this, even if they didn't have lights. It's not in the publics intrest (money wise) to prosecute someone over that.

Oh Ok. It's just that the sets of M520's I have bought and those my friends have bought came with them. I agree about not being prosecuted over them. Night riding without lights or reflectors however is a different story especially if you are not a in well lit area.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Online dictionary says -
1. Free from error or fault; true or accurate.2. Conforming to standards; proper:

Thus if the minority follow road law they are correct.

 

[apollo179]

Thus if the minority follow road law they are correct.

Anyone who obeys the law is legally correct.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Anyone who obeys the law is legally correct.

Indeed but you attest that the majority do not.

 

[apollo179]

Indeed but you attest that the majority do not.

I see what you are saying - if you always advocate doing what the law says then you are guaranteed to be allways correct from a legal standpoint.
I dont dispute that.
I was questioning assuming that the prevailing opinion on a forum is correct just because it is the prevailing opinion.
This is not allways the case. If you go on a fascist forum the fascist ideals expressed will be the prevailing opinions aired and accepted as correct but not in the wider outside real world.

 

[martint235]

If you look up you might just see the tailend of the point going over your head.
I was not saying any viewpoint is by defauly correct. I was cautioning against taking a minority viewpoint as correct just because it is in the ascendancy on a forum.

I think we can safely say that going through a red light is illegal is not a minority viewpoint either in the forum or in the real world.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I see what you are saying - if you always advocate doing what the law says then you are guaranteed to be allways correct from a legal standpoint.
I dont dispute that.
I was questioning assuming that the prevailing opinion on a forum is correct just because it is the prevailing opinion.
This is not allways the case. If you go on a fascist forum the fascist ideals expressed will be the prevailing opinions aired and accepted as correct but not in the wider outside real world.

So what is this prevailing opinion you talk about. I see many opinions expressed on many subjects?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I think we can safely say that going through a red light is illegal is not a minority viewpoint either in the forum or in the real world.

Unless you belong to the group of cyclists who believe that laws do not apply to them!

 

[apollo179]

So what is this prevailing opinion you talk about. I see many opinions expressed on many subjects?

The prevailing opinion that im talking about is the one that everyone is knowledgeable about cycling , knowledgeable about the law and that everyone sticks ridgidly to the law.
This may be true of the members on this forum but not so true (to a variable degree) of other cyclists in the wider world.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

The prevailing opinion that im talking about is the one that everyone is knowledgeable about cycling , knowledgeable about the law and that everyone sticks ridgidly to the law.
This may be true of the members on this forum but not so true (to a variable degree) of other cyclists in the wider world.

This I believe is an assumption based on your personal experience alone. I would say it is more likely that those cyclists are aware of the basic road rules but choose to ignore them.

 

[martint235]

The prevailing opinion that im talking about is the one that everyone is knowledgeable about cycling , knowledgeable about the law and that everyone sticks ridgidly to the law.
This may be true of the members on this forum but not so true (to a variable degree) of other cyclists in the wider world.

I fully accept that there are people out there who are ignorant of the law either by accident or by choice, there are also a vast number of people who flout the law cos they can't be bothered/are too selfish to follow it. This has been done to death on these forums.

It does not mean that those people should not be punished for breaking the law just cos there are a lot of them. In fact if we can raise the fines for rljing and also raise the capture rate, it will benefit the Treasury no end.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I fully accept that there are people out there who are ignorant of the law either by accident or by choice, there are also a vast number of people who flout the law cos they can't be bothered/are too selfish to follow it. This has been done to death on these forums.

It does not mean that those people should not be punished for breaking the law just cos there are a lot of them. In fact if we can raise the fines for rljing and also raise the capture rate, it will benefit the Treasury no end.

 

[apollo179]

This I believe is an assumption based on your personal experience alone. I would say it is more likely that those cyclists are aware of the basic road rules but choose to ignore them.

You may be right to a degree. But , by a degree i will also be right.

 

[apollo179]

I fully accept that there are people out there who are ignorant of the law either by accident or by choice, there are also a vast number of people who flout the law cos they can't be bothered/are too selfish to follow it. This has been done to death on these forums.

It does not mean that those people should not be punished for breaking the law just cos there are a lot of them. In fact if we can raise the fines for rljing and also raise the capture rate, it will benefit the Treasury no end.

I agree - by ignorance , accident, selfishness or choice many flout the law.
We differ on how we react to this - you appear to take a hard line.
Personally i dont agree that rljing should be illegal for cyclists so obviously im not going to advocate a tough enforcement of that particular law.
For the time being we have a law that isnt enforced that is a detriment to the law in general.

 

[Alien8]

Only skim-read through that lot but I think the problem is compounded by the proliferation of cyclist-specific road infrastructure (cycle lanes, ASLs, next-to-road-cycle paths etc). These actively encourage ignorance of the laws of the road by the unnecessary differentiation between cyclist and other road users. This is detrimental to all. Unfortunately many bodies, highway authorities, cycling organisations etc actively support and lobby for these features - now that is ignorance.