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Profpointy

Legendary Member
The hydrogen could be made when we have excess electricity so it need not be wasteful.

Shipping petrol around is quite wasteful and polluting. So it may well be worth trying hydrogen instead of supporting the oil industry which we know is leading us down the wrong path. we have to change.

I do follow and support your motivation, and whilst conceding I'm not an engineer, I'd have though there were a lot better ways of saving up waste electricity than by making hydrogen. It's somewhat problematic to store apart from anything else, and there's a lot of energy needed to liquify or compress it too. Pump storage, flywheels, batteries etc are more obvious choices of storage, not requiring a nationwide hydrogen distribution infrastructure - you'd just need wires, and we have those already
 

Gillstay

Veteran
I do follow and support your motivation, and whilst conceding I'm not an engineer, I'd have though there were a lot better ways of saving up waste electricity than by making hydrogen. It's somewhat problematic to store apart from anything else, and there's a lot of energy needed to liquify or compress it too. Pump storage, flywheels, batteries etc are more obvious choices of storage, not requiring a nationwide hydrogen distribution infrastructure - you'd just need wires, and we have those already

True. I just wish we would try more ideas to see if it would help, but governments seem to have very few ideas they are prepared to try.

If all new car tyres sold in this country (where possible) were eco tyres it would have a large effect. Its simple, perfectly possible but nothing much happens and there must be many things like that which we could do. I have eco tyres on my classic car and they are way better than the tyres it had on originaly.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
True. I just wish we would try more ideas to see if it would help, but governments seem to have very few ideas they are prepared to try.

If all new car tyres sold in this country (where possible) were eco tyres it would have a large effect. Its simple, perfectly possible but nothing much happens and there must be many things like that which we could do. I have eco tyres on my classic car and they are way better than the tyres it had on originaly.

Agree we need to do something, need to do a lot frankly, and private motor transport is perhaps one of the worst things, but am skeptical that some ideas are maybe more greenwash than green. To be honest I'm not sure what the overall efficiency of electrically produced hydrogen powering fuel cells is compared to conventional batteries - I'm guessing they're much worse, but I don't know that for a fact by any means. It is worth exploring the tech at least; I agree on that anyway.

One of the most egregious examples of greenwash is "carbon capture" from the air, which however it is done will produce more carbon than it can ever remove; it's plain nuts ! If you are serious about capturing carbon, plant some bloody trees and stop adding carbon to the atmosphere in the first place

The other thing we should be doing is building nuclear power stations - as well as windmills and solar etc. And there are a lot of low tech things not well exploited like heating water via solar - no rare metals in the solar cells, no complex electronics and subsidies; just some pipes, tin sheets and black paint
 

midlife

Guru
Slightly off topic but on the subject of hydrogen Im sure I was reading about a green hydrogen plant down my way in Cumbria that had got planning permission. I’ll Google and check.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
Rather nice DS Citroen parked up in Oxford. Whilst it was it tidy condition it did seem a car that got used, which is nice. They still look like something Dan Dare might drive don't they.

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Rather nice DS Citroen parked up in Oxford. Whilst it was it tidy condition it did seem a car that got used, which is nice. They still look like something Dan Dare might drive don't they.

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I would love one, probably out of any car ever made, although it might be one of those, better to dream about driving than actually driving
 

Ian H

Ancient randonneur
I would love one, probably out of any car ever made, although it might be one of those, better to dream about driving than actually driving

A friend who owned one did mention the downside: it was very easy to achieve an mpg of less than 20.
 

Bonefish Blues

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A friend who owned one did mention the downside: it was very easy to achieve an mpg of less than 20.

The engines were always way behind the other tech., and characterless to boot. Prime candidate for one of the modern battery conversions I'd suggest, and with a clear conscience too.

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Forgetting myself. You'd need to ensure that the hydraulic pump was driven in some way, of course.
 
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Profpointy

Legendary Member
The engines were always way behind the other tech., and characterless to boot. Prime candidate for one of the modern battery conversions I'd suggest, and with a clear conscience too.

The Maserati engine variant would be tempting, albeit not as pretty though, and LHD only I think.

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The engine seems pretty simple and easy to maintain !

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A friend who owned one did mention the downside: it was very easy to achieve an mpg of less than 20.

You're talking to a man who has a 3.2 diesel Shogun 20mpg is normal even without the horse trailer on.
 
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