Obesity needs a new definition

[ebikeerwidnes]

What is the con?

Are you saying Ozempic/Wegovy/Mounjaro don't help reduce weight?

They do work

Problem is when you come off them then you are likely to put the weight back on

and I worry about the way they work
seems like they make you feel full very easily so don;t want to eat more

but that also stops you eating stuff you need

and there does not seem to be any control over telling people that they need to eat mostly healthy stuff because if they eat a slice of toast then they will feel full and not want to eat for a long time

in other words it control how much you eat not the quality - which could lead to othre problems

 

[CXRAndy]

What is the con?

Are you saying Ozempic/Wegovy/Mounjaro don't help reduce weight?

No I'm saying it's a lifetime drug, like statins and the benefits are debatable

 

[cyberknight]

height 67 " , waist 30 " gives me 2.23

193cm to 36" waist (nice mix of units there) puts me about 46.

height 67 " , waist 30 " gives me 37

 

[HMS_Dave]

No I'm saying it's a lifetime drug, like statins and the benefits are debatable

Not necessarily, as someone who was morbidly obese, i can see the use of temporary medication of the weight loss drug. Get some weight off and gradually get moving and the more you lose, the more motivated and energetic you become the more you're likely to get out and the need for the drug diminishes. It's like nicotine patches, there is a high failure rate, but they work and many have proven it. Weight loss takes a level of will power, no matter how you lose it. Statins do work, they lower your LDL cholesterol. My mother is on them despite changing her diet to lower cholesterol, she failed as her body started producing too much of it the older she became... But i suppose there is a quasi-medical movement on whether high cholesterol matters to heart health, but im not delve too much in to that.

 

[Drago]

What is the con?

Are you saying Ozempic/Wegovy/Mounjaro don't help reduce weight?

No better than eating less, which is all they facilitate.

 

[Drago]

height 67 " , waist 30 " gives me 2.23


height 67 " , waist 30 " gives me 37

Christ, does the wind hum like a reed as it flows past you?

 

[Dogtrousers]

‘If you can pinch an inch’.
A wise man told me that if your waist measurement was over half your height (yes, the same units - I know my audience), you’re too fat. Over 50’s get a 10% ‘bye’.

Do over 60s get an additional bye? Just asking ...

 

[All uphill]

IQ is another 'measure that tells you exactly nothing, but is still widely used by psychologists because it's the only thing they have that appears to be objective.

 

[Dogtrousers]

Whilst there is some validity with the criticisms in that some built-like-brick-shithouse rugby players and such would in theory be deemed obese by the flowchart, as soon as the the doc saw someone's build they'd be able to distinguish at a glance between a muscled guy or lass and a lard-ass.

I would also wonder weather some of the genuine strongmen / weightlifters are actually a healthy build, even if very little of it is fat. This is a question rather than an opinion though

This is why I think that rubbishing the whole concept of BMI is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I'm no expert but I'd guess it's a useful way of screening people who may be overweight. Obviously a second look is required to bring into consideration build, ethnicity, medical history and so on to remove the outliers that the BMI net has wrongly included.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

IQ is another 'measure that tells you exactly nothing, but is still widely used by psychologists because it's the only thing they have that appears to be objective.

When I was training to be a teacher there was a whole lecture on what intelligence was/is

and he included an analysis of an IQ test in it - the test looked at about 1/01 of the different wys someone can be intelligent
it looks at abillity with number, logic (in some ways not others) and spatial reasoning (again in some ways and not others) - so it can tell one person they are stupid but they excel in other ways - such as empathy
and tell other people they are brilliant but they have no clue how to deal with people or why people do what they do
all of which is important in teaching

I also saw an article about Mensa and the tests they use to see who qualifies to be a member
it is basically like an IQ test - but even more limited

I have always found them impossible because they say things like "which is the odd one out" and I find ways in which every one of them is the odd one out if you look at it in different ways
apparently they (i.e. Mensa) reckon that the correct answer is $whichever because "that is the one most Mensa member would pick"
which makes being a member of Mensa to be meaningless - at least to me
but does explain why I can;t do a lot of the so called intelligence tests!!



anyway - what was the thread topic???

 

[Drago]

Is your blood type "Bisto"?

Then you're fat.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

height 67 " , waist 30 " gives me 2.23


height 67 " , waist 30 " gives me 37

Or more like 30 / 67 = 44.8%. You want the ratio, hence divide not subtract.

 

[HMS_Dave]

Is your blood type "Bisto"?

Then you're fat.

If your blood type is "Oxo"

Then you're Linda Bellingham.

 

[Punkawallah]

Do over 60s get an additional bye? Just asking ...

I have not yet reached that level of enlightenment.

 

[Rusty Nails]

No better than eating less, which is all they facilitate.

Which is the entire point of them.

Not everyone has the will-power to eat less, and If this helps such people then that surely is a good thing. The important thing is they eat less, the method they use to do so is less important.