New sophisticated fraud scam

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icowden

Veteran
Location
Surrey
Just because someone is well spoken doesn't mean they cant be a criminal. Someone's voice or in another instance their looks has nothing to do with it.
Some employees who work in banks and their call centres pass information onto criminals for money as well. Loads of people in the finance sector end up in prison.

Of course, but in my experience scam callers usually have an accent, and usually trip up or are over eager. You can usually tell they are scammers. This one was different. Cool calm and collected and not at all thrown by anything I said.
 

DaveReading

Don't suffer fools gladly (must try harder!)
Location
Reading, obvs
I've heard of that one from years back, but I think it only works with landlines and more and more people just use mobile
No, it hasn't worked with landlines either for several years.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
I've got the 'perfect' answer to scam calls like that "well I'm in town a bit later so I'll pop into the branch to discuss this with my account manager" they generally hang up at this point.
Our phone number is on one of the lists that makes the rounds, a common one we get is "This is British Telecom, we think someone is using your internet connection" Well 2 things we have unlimited internet access so it ain't costing us a bean and 2 there hasn't been a company called 'British Telecom' for decades, they're BT...........remember the Maureen Lipmann adverts. add in the fact that BT would never call anyone, they wait for you to call them if there's a problem.
 

Alex321

Guru
Location
South Wales
There was a retired schoolteacher who fell for this one locally and she got cleared out of her savings. It was a lot of money like 80K or something like that. The bank said that she should have known better etc, it was a well known scam. The bank tried to stop her initially from transferring the money but she did it anyway despite warnings from them. Then she wanted her money back. The bank refused. After a LOT of hassle and this going on the T.V she was reimbursed. I felt sorry for the bank in this instance because they were telling her it was a scam and she ignored them.
She went on t.v saying that she was starting with Alzheimer's or something.

My bank tried to stop me from transferring money to my granddaughter's account at the weekend, claiming there was a high probability it was a scam.

I phoned her to double check that the account details she had texted me were correct.
 

markemark

Über Member
My bank tried to stop me from transferring money to my granddaughter's account at the weekend, claiming there was a high probability it was a scam.

I phoned her to double check that the account details she had texted me were correct.

Yep. Imagine a world where they actually prevented it. Banks have a duty to notify but not prevent.
 

Mike_P

Guru
Location
Harrogate
Banks will flag anything odd by sending a message to you look at their app IME. Had some fraudster ring me apparently on a local number which immediately rang an alarm as not being the bank and then incredibly they tried on a mobile number.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
I've heard of that one from years back, but I think it only works with landlines and more and more people just use mobile

Agree. I don't think it works like that these days, but the original story may well have been valid
 

classic33

Leg End Member
And my point is that it is blindingly obvious. Someone rang you up stating they were from a bank and asking you for information. That is about as obvious as it gets. If you found it more believable because of her accent then I would strongly recommend you spend a little time protecting yourself in the future by reading up on common tactics. Basing your fraud detection on accents and line quality is, sorry to say, extremely naïve.
When working in the back office of one bank in 2001-2001, this scam was known then. There's nowt new about it.

We always said to customers that if they didn't trust the call to them, hang up and call either the telephone number on the letter, or the telephone number on their card, if they had one on the account.*
Some accounts were purely online, others had no cards on them. I still have the staff fraud office number on my handset.

All access to an account was marked by the system, time, date and who. Available to the fraud office in almost real time. Making any false calls stand out due to no account access/activity showing.

*The other option given was to take the letter into any branch. Issuing office of the letter is in a code amongst the reference number.
 

Profpointy

Legendary Member
And my point is that it is blindingly obvious. Someone rang you up stating they were from a bank and asking you for information. That is about as obvious as it gets. If you found it more believable because of her accent then I would strongly recommend you spend a little time protecting yourself in the future by reading up on common tactics. Basing your fraud detection on accents and line quality is, sorry to say, extremely naïve.

However a bank, and an internet supplier, phoned me up expecting me to confirm
my identity. When declined to do so the person on the phone seemed unable to grasp why this might be an issue. Both were seemingly genuine calls, but ffs, what are they playing at?
 

Aescott

Active Member
On the other hand…….

My wife placed an order with Ocado for food delivery. However, as she is the secondary card holder, all communication comes to me as the primary cardholder (not that it would have made much difference). I got up on the morning of the delivery to see a text from John Lewis Card Services saying that they had spotted a potentially fraudulent transaction - reply Y if OK. I did so - but as the text had been sent at 00.01 and this was now 06.50, when my wife went to check the order, it had been cancelled and she lost the slot.

I understand the need for vigilance, but as she’s used Ocado on a number of occasions in the past, I don’t know why this transaction was flagged.
 

Aescott

Active Member
Maybe it's better they are over cautious than the other way around @Aescott ?

Maybe…. But it cost us the delivery slot, and it was a retailer that we’d used previously, and the delivery was going to the normal address.

It was a minor inconvenience, but irritating. Made slightly more so by the fact that I had spotted two fraudulent transactions on the secondary card a few months previously and the fraud team hadn’t.

First world problems, I suppose.
 
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