New car disaster!

[Alex321]

Although the UK government has adopted the legislation into UK law.

Unless it has change since July and I missed it, they haven't actually included it in UK law.

The manufacturers have decided to act as if it were law here as well, possibly in anticipation of the UK government making such a change.

 

[Drago]

Dr Contrary never let's me down.

 

[BoldonLad]

Not true.

The don't apply brakes (so can go above the sopeed set on a downhill), and you can override them by pressing hard on the accelerator. But if you use the accelerator normally, and are not on a downhill, they will prevent you accelerating above the set speed.

Most cars have had manually set speed limiters for some time now, including both mine and my wife's 2015 cars. Mine is too easy to override, you don't need to press the accelerator as hard as you should. My wife's is better that way.

The difference with the ones required since July is that they set the limit (to the speed limit of the road), rather than you, using GPS or signs or a combination to decide what the limit is.

It is the latter GPS and sign/camera systems I am talking about, not the “old” manually operated speed limiter option.

 

[Gunk]

Legal retirement in the EU, for better or worse, we are no longer in the EU.

as far as new cars go, we are in the EU. Manufacturers don’t produce a UK specific model, we have the same regulations as Europe.

 

[Drago]

So, has he taken it back yet?

 

[cougie uk]

Collected new car today after test driving one that I was assured had the same software.

I was swearing at it all the way home. Beeps for every speed sign, beeps constantly if you go over the limit by 1mph (even if it's misread a 30 sign in a side road, which it does), lane departure tried to put me in a ditch. It's unacceptable.

Apparently you CAN turn this off. It must be done before every single drive, and it takes about two minutes of manipulating a fiddly and fragile stalk to do so. New EU regs, apparently.

The manufacturer has a 14 day money back guarantee which I shall be using. I think I've managed to find a pre-registered car from the previous model year which isn't afflicted with this stupidity, and where the stuff stays turned off.

Dunno what car you have but the new Kia you can mute the alerts by holding down the volume button. I think it has to be done at the start of every drive though.

 

[CXRAndy]

Our Tesla's receive regular updates with new features and safety options. We can switch them off in the menu and have the option depending on the driver to have whatever combination of features enabled.

Soon as you open the driver's door the car knows who the driver is and sets the car up appropriately

 

[Alex321]

It is the latter GPS and sign/camera systems I am talking about, not the “old” manually operated speed limiter option.

I thought the new system worked the same way, apart from being automatic.

So do Autocar https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/intelligent-speed-assistance-everything-you-need-know
And Autoexpress https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/...red-all-new-cars-know-rules-and-how-they-work

 

[Gunk]

Soon as you open the driver's door

Reform get a small donation

 

[CXRAndy]

Reform get a small donation

Bigger the better 😜

 

[mistyoptic]

The camera in my Honda CR-V reads the speed limit signs and shows it on the dashboard. There is a difficulty here in that it sometimes reads the sign wrong and/or reads it off a slip road/side road and gets confused.

Or off the back of an HGV as one passes it. My wife’s Toyota has often told me the limit is 80 after I’ve overtaken a truck 🤣

 

[mistyoptic]

The difference with the ones required since July is that they set the limit (to the speed limit of the road), rather than you, using GPS or signs or a combination to decide what the limit is.

potentially dangerous then if it obeys it. My 24 plate BMW is firmly convinced that the stretch of M54 from just after J1 to about a mile past J2 is 40mph. there’s a new feeder road parallel, with a junction off to the JLR factory, which DOES have a 40 limit and it gets confused. Not a camera issue, a GPS one. Actually comes up on the display that the limit will revert to 70 in x yards

 

[Alex321]

potentially dangerous then if it obeys it. My 24 plate BMW is firmly convinced that the stretch of M54 from just after J1 to about a mile past J2 is 40mph. there’s a new feeder road parallel, with a junction off to the JLR factory, which DOES have a 40 limit and it gets confused. Not a camera issue, a GPS one. Actually comes up on the display that the limit will revert to 70 in x yards

It doesn't brake, it just makes the throttle unrepsonsive until you push it hard, which overrides the setting.

 

[Dogtrousers]

It doesn't brake, it just makes the throttle unrepsonsive until you push it hard, which overrides the setting.

That just sounds like cruise control. Sort of. More or less.

I hired a car with that in Finland once. I found it quite useful on the sparsely used roads there. Never driven a car with it in this country tho.

I don't think I'd object to it. My TomTom displays current limit based on GPS only and it's rarely wrong (variable M-way limits excepted)

 

[Alex321]

That just sounds like cruise control. Sort of. More or less.

I hired a car with that in Finland once. I found it quite useful on the sparsely used roads there. Never driven a car with it in this country tho.

I don't think I'd object to it. My TomTom displays current limit based on GPS only and it's rarely wrong (variable M-way limits excepted)

It is almost the opposite of cruise control. With cruise control, you can take your foot right off the throttle, the car will attempt to maintain the set speed. But if you want to exceed the set speed, you just use the throttle as normal, no need for any extra hard press.

While with speed limiter, you still need to use the throttle as noirmal, it just becomes unresponsive if you try to exceed the set speed.

Most modern cars (b efore this change) have both speed limiter and cruise control. A few have adaptive cruise control - where they WILL apply brakes if necessary, and they will adjust the speed if necessary to prevent the gap between the car in front and you getting too small.