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I've just spat my tea all over my laptop.
Not sure there was ever much left of Vittorio Brambilla's either...
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I've just spat my tea all over my laptop.
Not sure there was ever much left of Vittorio Brambilla's either...
FishFright
More wheels than sense
Hamilton has done it for years , as have many other drivers.
Does anyone commenting actually watch F1 ??
Alex321
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And Hamilton has regularly been penalised for similar things. He did less at the British GP than Verstappen did this time, but got a 10 second penalty for it.
Not that either he or "many other drivers" have often gone quite as far as Verstappen did this time, in going fully off the track himself, rather than just not leaving enough room.
Yes. I have seen drivers do that where they don't have a choice in order to retain control of the car, or to avoid accidents.
I haven't seen Max's approach of just not bothering to turn the wheel.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
I've seen it loads and for many years , ever since they started to replace gravel traps with tarmac. It's happened hundreds of times and has been discussed by the commentators and motorsport press for a long time.
FishFright
More wheels than sense
Don't you remember Hamilton driving Rosberg off track repeatedly leading to crashes when Rosberg decided not to let it happen no more ?
A bit more recent ? Hamilton driving Albon of the track in Austria ?
It happens to someone most races nowadays but you'd know that of course so ... ??
Have you been to specsavers? Albon left Hamilton with no space, they touched wheels, Albon went off. I can find numerous examples of Rosberg forcing Hamilton off track but not vice versa.
ebikeerwidnes
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We were discussing this after the race
One possibility we came up with was that Max might have been thinking there would be a wheel-to-wheel collision which would, in effect, knock Max's car left and Lewis's right - hence Max would make the corner - actually or nearly - and Lewis would go way wide
In the event of damage Lewis would be more likely to come off worse
In this case Lewis saw what was happening and avoided it - hence Max didn;t get the expected knock left and this caused him to go far wider than he was expecting
It is a bit of a stretch - but these guys think incredibly fast - any thoughts??
One possibility we came up with was that Max might have been thinking there would be a wheel-to-wheel collision which would, in effect, knock Max's car left and Lewis's right - hence Max would make the corner - actually or nearly - and Lewis would go way wide
In the event of damage Lewis would be more likely to come off worse
In this case Lewis saw what was happening and avoided it - hence Max didn;t get the expected knock left and this caused him to go far wider than he was expecting
It is a bit of a stretch - but these guys think incredibly fast - any thoughts??
figbat
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I doubt very much that Max intended there to be a 'lucky' collision - these cars are so fragile that even an apparently innocuous rub at the wrong angle in the wrong place can put a car out, or at least cause a puncture to the same effective outcome. Whether he had Schumacher-esque plans of all-out collision - I doubt that too. I do believe he went in with no intent to make the corner - there's no lock-up and no apparent understeer (as far as one can tell from an off-board viewpoint). Lewis was always going to come off worse if they both went off and if they did collide in a race-ending manner then Max is still top of the championship - it's a win-win for Max unless Lewis carried on and he didn't.
Bonefish Blues
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In car footage from MV's car is now available.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/12...
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/12...
figbat
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Hmmmm.... perhaps there was some effort to turn in... although perhaps too little too late...
Alex321
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Max should very definitely be getting a penalty from that view.
He clearly saw Hamilton outside (and mostly ahead) of him, and made no attempt to turn in until past the point where he was going to force Hamilton off the road.
ebikeerwidnes
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Far too little steering angle on starting the corner
He knew Lewis was on his outside
Lewis started slowing down a fair way before Max - and I bet Lewis was leaving it as late as he possible could
Hence Max was - probably deliberately - braking too late to make the corner - therefore forcing a situation where he would understeer if he turned normally
Conclusion - Max deliberately braked far too late thus putting Lewis slightly behind him on his outside - and then turned far too little until Lewis was forced to either collide or veer right
THEN Max turned fully and carried on
Guilty
He knew Lewis was on his outside
Lewis started slowing down a fair way before Max - and I bet Lewis was leaving it as late as he possible could
Hence Max was - probably deliberately - braking too late to make the corner - therefore forcing a situation where he would understeer if he turned normally
Conclusion - Max deliberately braked far too late thus putting Lewis slightly behind him on his outside - and then turned far too little until Lewis was forced to either collide or veer right
THEN Max turned fully and carried on
Guilty
Bonefish Blues
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Mercedes has put in a formal appeal against the decision of the Stewards* based on new evidence.
*Who, remember, said that no investigation was necessary v-a-v the incident, nor did Masi, Race Director ask them to examine it, as is his right.
The latter point is what I find most remarkable about this.
*Who, remember, said that no investigation was necessary v-a-v the incident, nor did Masi, Race Director ask them to examine it, as is his right.
The latter point is what I find most remarkable about this.
Alex321
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When they said "No investigation necessary" that was during the race, and apparently even they didn't have access to that footage we have now seen.
