Motorsports Thread

[Bonefish Blues]

Although Coulthard seemed adamant in the commentary that it was just "hard racing" and the drivers (Max) taking advantage of the fact that there is no gravel trap. Not sure myself. I think Merc will be complaining about it.

Coulthard is in the employ of the Red Bull organisation. Make of that what you will.

 

[FishFright]

Coulthard is in the employ of the Red Bull organisation. Make of that what you will.

He is also an ex F1 driver who probably knows more about hard racing that than almost everyone on this side of the screen. Compare that to shouty Crofty who will turn somersaults in an attempt to let Merc drivers off.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

He is also an ex F1 driver who probably knows more about hard racing that than almost everyone on this side of the screen. Compare that to shouty Crofty who will turn somersaults in an attempt to let Merc drivers off.

We're not discussing Croft, he's irrelevant to this discussion because whataboutery.

Regarding Coulthard, correct, he does. I like him, he's a very accomplished presenter, and has a huge amount of relevant knowledge. Thing is though, we all have windows through which we view things. Have you ever - I mean on any one single occasion - known him to criticise a Red Bull driver in this type of scenario?

 

[FishFright]

We're not discussing Croft, he's irrelevant to this discussion because whataboutery.

Regarding Coulthard, correct, he does. I like him, he's a very accomplished presenter, and has a huge amount of relevant knowledge. Thing is though, we all have windows through which we view things. Have you ever - I mean on any one single occasion - known him to criticise a Red Bull driver in this type of scenario?

Yes plenty of times, even when he was driving for them.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Yes plenty of times, even when he was driving for them.

Then our recollections clearly differ on this matter. Maybe you could find some to put my mind at rest?

 

[FishFright]

Then our recollections clearly differ on this matter. Maybe you could find some to put my mind at rest?

Watch any GP without your bias specs on ... and pay attention.

I've never been keen on Coultard and like any person he has his biases but to say he never has been critical of RB is just plain silly.

 

[figbat]

Max went in there with no attempt to make the corner, knowing that Lewis was outside him (he knows this because Lewis was in front of him at the corner entry). He not only made no attempt to make the corner, he further kept pushing a wider line through the run-off to keep Lewis out wider. So he gained a lasting advantage by pushing Lewis off.

However I think a penalty would have spoiled a great race. A review and clarification on what is and isn't acceptable with consistent application would satisfy me. In the end it was notable but not result-altering.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Watch any GP without your bias specs on ... and pay attention.

I've never been keen on Coultard and like any person he has his biases but to say he never has been critical of RB is just plain silly.

So prove me wrong rather than simply going on a somewhat transparent attack

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Max went in there with no attempt to make the corner, knowing that Lewis was outside him (he knows this because Lewis was in front of him at the corner entry). He not only made no attempt to make the corner, he further kept pushing a wider line through the run-off to keep Lewis out wider. So he gained a lasting advantage by pushing Lewis off.

However I think a penalty would have spoiled a great race. A review and clarification on what is and isn't acceptable with consistent application would satisfy me. In the end it was notable but not result-altering.

I think it's a rather broader issue than that - F1's the pinnacle of motorsport and the example set there undoubtedly filters down to other formulae and young drivers in particular.

 

[FishFright]

So prove me wrong rather than simply going on a somewhat transparent attack

You made a sweeping statement which is so obviously incorrect I assumed you were trolling hence not really taking it seriously.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

You made a sweeping statement which is so obviously incorrect I assumed you were trolling hence not really taking it seriously.

I made a statement. You say it's sweeping, you assume I'm trolling. Those are your assumptions.

Prove me wrong and I will withdraw my remarks.

 

[figbat]

I think it's a rather broader issue than that - F1's the pinnacle of motorsport and the example set there undoubtedly filters down to other formulae and young drivers in particular.

Does it though? Do younger drivers watch Max and think "next time I'm on track I'll do that"? Perhaps they do but I simply don't know. I suspect each formula has its own approaches and guidelines on this so whilst they might watch and see Max getting away with it, they might also be thinking "no chance I could do that". Lower formulae often simply don't have the space to get away with it anyway - try that at Oulton Park or wherever any you'll be in the scenery in quick order.

 

[FishFright]

I made a statement. You say it's sweeping, you assume I'm trolling. Those are your assumptions.

Prove me wrong and I will withdraw my remarks.

You're still trolling . You made that assertion so you need to have proof before you post because that is how life works.

Anyway this kind of block overtake happens most races but this time Hamilton was on the receiving end so it's important. If it was Schumacher jr and Latifi no one would have posted today.

 

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This wasn't a block overtake though - this was a cynical lunge, with no hope of making the corner and some chance of a collision... which would have suited Max down to the ground.

 

[Bonefish Blues]

You're still trolling . You made that assertion so you need to have proof before you post because that is how life works.

Anyway this kind of block overtake happens most races but this time Hamilton was on the receiving end so it's important. If it was Schumacher jr and Latifi no one would have posted today.

You now want me to find instances where DC has not criticised Red Bull? Are you serious? We'll ignore the further accusation of trolling and whataboutery.

I made a statement I believe to be correct, and which is well-understood in Motorsport. You say it's nonsense. I repeat can you find an instance where DC has criticised Red Bull and I will withdraw my remarks?