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If there was a wall there, the drivers would figure out how to drive within it, even if that meant losing time/speed.

"Benefit of doubt" should only be given where a driver is dodging an incident, or has clearly made a mistake e.g. is sliding through the corner in a way that is losing him time.

(But I do think that cars bouncing over kerbs is part of the spectacle of the sport!)
 
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Reynard

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This is what gets me (and I know I've mentioned it before)... If the BTCC* can use pressure plates to determine track limits offences, why can't F1? :scratch:

* AFAIK they're only installed at MSV-owned circuits, basically everywhere other than Thruxton, Croft and Knockhill. I imagine they use observers at the others.
 

Joey Shabadoo

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This is what gets me (and I know I've mentioned it before)... If the BTCC* can use pressure plates to determine track limits offences, why can't F1? :scratch:

* AFAIK they're only installed at MSV-owned circuits, basically everywhere other than Thruxton, Croft and Knockhill. I imagine they use observers at the others.

What, they run over the observers?
 

Tom B

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I would prefer all 4 wheels to remain between the white lines, with heavy penalties for putting even one wheel over the line. But, then again, I am an old fogey.......

Maybe. My old man feels the same.

That's part of the issue, the rules have been in place, but they have not been 'applied' the same across the races, at Silverstone they were allowed to do what they wanted, in Austria they appeared to go the other way, but it was different race directors.

This is my problem. I haven't an issue. Kerbs or no kerbs it's the same for everyone. Let's just have it all same. Just don't build them of you don't want them used.

In my view there is too much whistle in F1. Too many penalties.
Penalties for engine components even if you blew up said components in the last race and DNFd.
Penalties for gearbox use
Penalties for track limits
Penalties for not waving at your opponent while overtaking
Penalties for this that and the other.

Every race and grid has a penalised driver or two.
How did we cope in the 90s when we pay ever saw a couple of stop gos each season usually for pitlane speeding.
 

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Jody

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The initial report on bendy floors looks to have been leaked. Still don't fully understand how it works but apparently......

"‘As in individual pieces of cake around the holes. While driving, some of these pieces are said to miraculously disappear into the underbody on contact with the ground. When stationary, they return to their original position."

"Some teams are getting around the maximum allowed flexing of 2mm by creating a plank which is ‘practically pressed into the underbody’, allowing for more air underneath and thus greater downforce levels with these ground-effect cars, as the car can run lower."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-red-bull-skid-block-trick-report/
 

icowden

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The initial report on bendy floors looks to have been leaked. Still don't fully understand how it works but apparently......

"‘As in individual pieces of cake around the holes. While driving, some of these pieces are said to miraculously disappear into the underbody on contact with the ground. When stationary, they return to their original position."

"Some teams are getting around the maximum allowed flexing of 2mm by creating a plank which is ‘practically pressed into the underbody’, allowing for more air underneath and thus greater downforce levels with these ground-effect cars, as the car can run lower."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-red-bull-skid-block-trick-report/

I'm really interested to see what happens at the Belgian grands prix. Anyone else think that Ferrari and Redbull might just slip backwards a bit?
 

Jody

Stubborn git
I'm really interested to see what happens at the Belgian grands prix. Anyone else think that Ferrari and Redbull might just slip backwards a bit?

Ferrari yes, but CH has gone on record saying the TD won't harm them and they aren't planning to change their design.

Who knows if that's the truth?

Be interesting with Merc bringing updates and only being a few tenths behind
 

icowden

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Ferrari yes, but CH has gone on record saying the TD won't harm them and they aren't planning to change their design.
Who knows if that's the truth?
Well, we shall soon find out. Horner is going to shut down any possibility of it not being the truth until they have worked out the best way to deal with the regs. He's hardly going to put his hand up and say "yeah - that's us".
 
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The initial report on bendy floors looks to have been leaked. Still don't fully understand how it works but apparently......

"‘As in individual pieces of cake around the holes. While driving, some of these pieces are said to miraculously disappear into the underbody on contact with the ground. When stationary, they return to their original position."

"Some teams are getting around the maximum allowed flexing of 2mm by creating a plank which is ‘practically pressed into the underbody’, allowing for more air underneath and thus greater downforce levels with these ground-effect cars, as the car can run lower."

https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-red-bull-skid-block-trick-report/

This is pretty well much the equivalent of the variable height active suspension used in the early 80s. When stationary, the car meets all the ride height tests, but at racing speed, it's running lower than it ought.

And the more the air gets "squeezed" under the floor, the bigger the pressure drop (it's related to the square of the velocity), the more downforce you generate and ergo, you have more grip. Which of course, is advantageous, as these cars don't have the same level of basic mechanical grip than under the previous regs.

The engineers can't fanny around with the suspension, so they lower the ride height by having a movable floor. You have to admire their capacity for thinking seven ways of sideways though, but it's not strictly legal. The new guidelines were supposed to have been brought in for this weekend, but guess which two teams threw their toys out of the pram over it...

Oh yessssssssss, Spa is going to be very interesting. :whistle:
 

Jody

Stubborn git
The new guidelines were supposed to have been brought in for this weekend, but guess which two teams threw their toys out of the pram over it...

Oh yessssssssss, Spa is going to be very interesting. :whistle:

RB/Rarri "We're not using that technology, but it would only be fair to give those that are a month or so grace to redesign"
 
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RB/Rarri "We're not using that technology, but it would only be fair to give those that are a month or so grace to redesign"

That's the oldest sidestep in the book... :laugh:

The more one denies something in motor racing, the more likely that it's actually true. The only thing that *doesn't* lie are the timing sheets.
 

Jody

Stubborn git
He doth protest to much

I can't wait for Spa. Just hoping the track changes work as they've altered quite a few corners and added some kitty litter.
 
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