Motorsports Thread

[Salad Dodger]

I would prefer all 4 wheels to remain between the white lines, with heavy penalties for putting even one wheel over the line. But, then again, I am an old fogey.......

 

[Jody]

I would prefer all 4 wheels to remain between the white lines, with heavy penalties for putting even one wheel over the line. But, then again, I am an old fogey.......

All 4? So use of Kerbs is banned?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Shock Horror, Bernie has been charged with Tax Evasion, who'd have thought it, I would have thought he would have been the first person inline tipping up his state pension to the HMRC to pay his full whack.

 

[Salad Dodger]

All 4? So use of Kerbs is banned?

In my world, yes it would be.

 

[Reynard]

Shock Horror, Bernie has been charged with Tax Evasion, who'd have thought it, I would have thought he would have been the first person inline tipping up his state pension to the HMRC to pay his full whack.

Indeed, quelle surprise...

 

[Jody]

Kerbs are great

 

[Beebo]

Hamilton is speaking out about the cheering of the Max fans when he crashed on Friday, although I agree, it would have more credence had he spoken out about the booing at Silverstone.

He’s on record as telling fans to stop booing at Silverstone.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/62022394

 

[classic33]

So I've been sat here musing it's a bit warm for that work mullarkey

Sainz leaves the track at turn 1, gets a far better exit as he's cranked less steering on & uses it to catapult past Russell, had that been kitty litter he wouldn't have been able to do it. Now I'm 100% sure even if he'd have pulled in behind Russell then it would have only been a matter of time before he went past, but should it have been a penalty, or as I think it was dealt with as a first lap incident. We saw Alonso actively practising this at 1 GP.

Perez gets punted into the kitty litter after he goes around the outside of turn 4 when Russell with full lock on slides into his rear wheel. Result Russell gets a 5 second penalty, did he deserve it or should that too been dealt with under a first lap incident, Perez certainly had the place should Russell have given up earlier & slowed therefore being able to put the extra lock on.

Albon pushes Norris off the track at turn 3, similar in some sense to the Perez/Russell he's claiming that Norris was alongside, braked slightly later which washed his front end grip out & he just couldn't turn.

Sainz (again) the car was on fire, he was trying to get out but couldn't leave the car in gear presumably as he'd coasted as close to the marshals as possible & couldn't engage a gear, I suspect no physical link between lever & box. The marshal tried to put a block under the wheel but it was still sliding/rolling. it might be specific to that marshal post, but I feel they were lacking in A. Marshalls only appeared initially to be 1 B. If it is such a slope then maybe they need better arresters.

Finally track limits, now I do like the idea that the track is between the white lines & that at least 1 wheel (I would prefer 2) wheels have to be kept on the track at all times. Errors will be made & they will go out there when they get it wrong, but stamping down on them is good, but 2 things spring to mind, it got all a bit confusing, who had been noted (on their 3 strikes), who had been black & whit'd & who was carrying a penalty. Along with if they are doing it in Austria it has to be continued to all events.

The same rules have been applied at every race this season. Does this mean there were more drivers exceeding track limits in Austria. Or were we just made more aware of it?

 

[FishFright]

The same rules have been applied at every race this season. Does this mean there were more drivers exceeding track limits in Austria. Or were we just made more aware of it?

Something along the lines of...

This week we'll be mostly enforcing tack limits .
Next week who knows ? We like to keep you all guessing.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

The same rules have been applied at every race this season. Does this mean there were more drivers exceeding track limits in Austria. Or were we just made more aware of it?

That's part of the issue, the rules have been in place, but they have not been 'applied' the same across the races, at Silverstone they were allowed to do what they wanted, in Austria they appeared to go the other way, but it was different race directors.

 

[Jody]

That's part of the issue, the rules have been in place, but they have not been 'applied' the same across the races, at Silverstone they were allowed to do what they wanted, in Austria they appeared to go the other way, but it was different race directors.

Some of the calls were OTT in Austria but TBF you can gain time by running wide in those last two corners

 

[icowden]

Some of the calls were OTT in Austria but TBF you can gain time by running wide in those last two corners

And equally, the drivers do know when they are taking advantage. Hamilton might have got to the black and white flag stage, but following that didn't commit any further breaches of track limits. He was aware of the limits and how far you can push them.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

And equally, the drivers do know when they are taking advantage.

That's the nature of the sportsperson they push the rules whenever they can, Russell mentioned being penalised (noted) when he'd made a mistake & ran wide so lost time, whereas as you say they were actively taking wider lines to gain an advantage.

And equally, the drivers do know when they are taking advantage. Hamilton might have got to the black and white flag stage, but following that didn't commit any further breaches of track limits. He was aware of the limits and how far you can push them.

As above, sports people appear due to their nature will always push the boundaries, I suppose that's why the rule book is 3000+ pages not just 3. (I have no idea how many pages it really is)

 

[Jody]

And equally, the drivers do know when they are taking advantage. Hamilton might have got to the black and white flag stage, but following that didn't commit any further breaches of track limits. He was aware of the limits and how far you can push them.

Yes and no. They will all push the limit but saying 1cm is difference between an infraction or not is a little excessive. The definition is gaining a lasting advantage. I'm not sure those who were deemed to have strayed over the line by 1cm gained an advantage over those that got up to it. But (excuse the pun) the line has to be drawn somewhere.

Second to last corner is incredibly easy to run wide as the apex is unsighted and it falls away on turn in.

46 infractions in one race does seem like the RD's were being particularly stringent

 

[icowden]

Yes and no. They will all push the limit but saying 1cm is difference between an infraction or not is a little excessive.

I sort of both agree and disagree. You have to have a limit set somewhere if you are to have a rule. I suppose you could use "benefit of the doubt" but than then opens the door to calls of unfair judgement.