Motorsports Thread

[Illaveago]

I can't find the post now but I think they thought that after winning the championship that he would calm down.
His aggressive behaviour at the restart after a safety car certainly hasn't gone down very well.

 

[Reynard]

Exactly this - I fear Max doesn't have any moderating influences around him.

Indeed. He's gone through his entire career so far without anyone saying "NO" to him, and it shows. Basically, he acts like a spoiled toddler and everyone panders to his whims because he's the "golden boy."

Unfortunately it's something that happens in motor racing with depressing regularity. Think Senna, think Schumacher Sr*... Drivers get put on a pedestal for all the wrong reasons, and it's something I find intensely frustrating. But it is what it is. Top line racing drivers are, on the whole, not very nice people. They're self-centered, selfish and don't see what's wrong about sh*tting on other people to get what they want and / or to preserve their public image and reputation.

On the other hand, I do rather enjoy having a pantomime villain to boo...

* I've always wondered what sort of a person / competitor Michael Schumacher would have been if Jochen Mass hadn't stopped Derek Warwick from beating the crap out of him at the Nurburgring in 1991...

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Indeed. He's gone through his entire career so far without anyone saying "NO" to him, and it shows. Basically, he acts like a spoiled toddler and everyone panders to his whims because he's the "golden boy."

Christian Horner

On the other hand, I do rather enjoy having a pantomime villain to boo...

Christian Horner

I do wonder how much pressure Christian Horner is actually under from above, whether his continuance was in question?

 

[matticus]

* I've always wondered what sort of a person / competitor Michael Schumacher would have been if Jochen Mass hadn't stopped Derek Warwick from beating the crap out of him at the Nurburgring in 1991...

(for one thing, I doubt he would gone on to chase DC down the pits at Spa. In fact it would have been interesting to see THAT pan out without the intervention of other team personnel. I don't see DC as a bruiser, but he's got the chin to take a punch or two so it might have been a good fight ... )

 

[icowden]

(for one thing, I doubt he would gone on to chase DC down the pits at Spa. In fact it would have been interesting to see THAT pan out without the intervention of other team personnel. I don't see DC as a bruiser, but he's got the chin to take a punch or two so it might have been a good fight ... )

And don't forget DC is scottish...

 

[Reynard]

(for one thing, I doubt he would gone on to chase DC down the pits at Spa. In fact it would have been interesting to see THAT pan out without the intervention of other team personnel. I don't see DC as a bruiser, but he's got the chin to take a punch or two so it might have been a good fight ... )

I don't have much knowledge of DC tbh, so goodness knows.

Derek is built like the proverbial brick, erm, outhouse, btw. I would definitely not want to find myself on the end of his jab. From my own experience though, he's such a lovely and kind man.

 

[Beebo]

Sounds like Merc have conceded that their concept of minimal side pods was a mistake.
Could they go back to the car they used at first testing which had more normal pods or are they stuck with this one?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Sounds like Merc have conceded that their concept of minimal side pods was a mistake.
Could they go back to the car they used at first testing which had more normal pods or are they stuck with this one?

No idea really, but I suspect they have committed themselves down this route & all future developments are/were based on the fact this was going to work, the only other problem is are they telling the truth & they will have it sorted by the time we're back in Europe which maybe too late for the championship, but it might be worse if they tried to revert.

The only thing in their favour is with 2 other challengers the points are being split, 4 races in 2 winners with 2 races each, IF Sainz stops throwing the dummy out & gets involved he will take points away from both of them, I don't think Perez will unless it's to RB's advantage, he is a genuine No2, whereas Sainz will only be forced into that position if he continues his own stupidity.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

The knives are out for Hamilton, Rosberg & Marko are playing mind games, both of them dislike him because he's successful & stopped them getting what they wanted. Marko suggesting Hamilton will lose motivation & should have retired, Rosberg rubbing the salt in that Russell is doing much better, no disrespect meant to Russell as if he gets the right car he will be a World Champion, but he didn't do any 'real' overtaking he was in the right place at the right time with the Sainz/Ricciardo tangle. Just watched it now, missed the first 15 minutes yesterday got my timing wrong, thought it started at 14:30 not 14:00

I didn't see any lack of motivation from Hamilton, he was attacking Gasly at every opportunity, there are others out there & some retired F1 champions who would have just driven around all race & collected the cheque, Button springs to mind.

 

[FishFright]

The knives are out for Hamilton, Rosberg & Marko are playing mind games, both of them dislike him because he'd successful & stopped them getting what they wanted. Marko suggesting Hamilton will lose motivation & should have retired, Rosberg rubbing the salt in that Russell is doing much better, no disrespect meant to Russell as if he gets the right car he will be a World Champion, but he didn't do any 'real' overtaking he was in the right place at the right time with the Sainz/Ricciardo tangle. Just watched it now, missed the first 15 minutes yesterday got my timing wrong, thought it started at 14:30 not 14:00

I didn't see any lack of motivation from Hamilton, he was attacking Gasly at every opportunity, there are others out there & some retired F1 champions who would have just driven around all race & collected the cheque, Button springs to mind.

Oddly I saw Hamilton's drive as very lack lustre and his attacks were half assed at best. I think his heart is not in it , at least until they gets their heads around the set up issues that are plaguing him this season.

Russell on the other hand is in the best car of his career, bar the guest drive, and is making the most of it.

 

[Beebo]

Oddly I saw Hamilton's drive as very lack lustre and his attacks were half assed at best. I think his heart is not in it , at least until they gets their heads around the set up issues that are plaguing him this season.

Russell on the other hand is in the best car of his career, bar the guest drive, and is making the most of it.

Russell knows how to drive a bad car well, Hamilton can drive a good car very well.

Russell is complaining about back and chest pain from the bouncing. He’s younger than Hamilton so I suspect Hamilton is suffering more.
The car is reasonably competitive in the low speed corners but overtaking is all about getting past on the straights, and that seems almost impossible so they can’t progress.

 

[FishFright]

Russell knows how to drive a bad car well, Hamilton can drive a good car very well.

Russell is complaining about back and chest pain from the bouncing. He’s younger than Hamilton so I suspect Hamilton is suffering more.
The car is reasonably competitive in the low speed corners but overtaking is all about getting past on the straights, and that seems almost impossible so they can’t progress.

All that porpoising can't be good for the body at any age . I do wonder if the FIA will be forced to step in eventually.

 

[Jody]

Doesn't say much that Britney stuck the knife in.

Marko is still triggered to f.... by Merc so no surprise there either.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

All that porpoising can't be good for the body at any age . I do wonder if the FIA will be forced to step in eventually.

But what can they do? Impose a minimum ride height, but probably each car will be different, they will also have to admit their rule changes haven't worked, will they want to change them so quickly?

Ted Kravitz pointed out the difference between the Ferrari & the Mercedes floor section, is the amount that is causing the problem as it's too effective, is it the flex, or is the problem actually understanding the problem. Presumably they could control it with some technical wizardry opening & closing vents but that would probably not be allowed, maybe they just need to bleed off some of it's effectiveness.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

On another vein the BTCC was good yesterday, but confusing about the number of boosts available on the screen & not sure spectators will be able to understand it at trackside but good close racing.