Motorsports Thread

[Beebo]

Do we need to stop them doing that? It just adds to the fun.

It’s manufactured excitement that takes it away from straight racing.
We might as well give them mariokart boost-ups.
I understood the DRS requirements with the old cars as a far slower car could hold up a whole line of other much faster cars. And getting within a second of the car in front was actually quite hard. Now the cars are specifically designed to run within a second of each other.

 

[Jody]

Do we need to stop them doing that? It just adds to the fun.

Admittedly good fun, but somewhat dangerous if the lead man tries to force you round by hitting the brakes. As Beebo said, it's just not racing.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Admittedly good fun, but somewhat dangerous if the lead man tries to force you round by hitting the brakes. As Beebo said, it's just not racing.

But is making them use tyres that wear out in X laps, remember they change the formula each race, also having them change tyres at all, Hamilton looked like he could have done the full race on a single set.

Without going to what I think is my limit. I always say that my ideal is to get pole with the minimum effort, and to win the race at the slowest speed possible.

Alain Prost

So maybe what a racer wants to do & what we want to see is different, I used to like F1 Stock cars, there was only 1 goal, flat out start to finish & ***k anybody who got in the way.

 

[Deleted member 1258]

It’s manufactured excitement that takes it away from straight racing.
We might as well give them mariokart boost-ups.
I understood the DRS requirements with the old cars as a far slower car could hold up a whole line of other much faster cars. And getting within a second of the car in front was actually quite hard. Now the cars are specifically designed to run within a second of each other.

The whole circus is just manufactured excitement, this just adds to it, I'm all for it.

 

[icowden]

But is making them use tyres that wear out in X laps, remember they change the formula each race, also having them change tyres at all, Hamilton looked like he could have done the full race on a single set.

The idea was that the tyres should allow proper racing without management this year. I'm not sure they have achieved that. There is also an issue that bit LeClerc whereby once the tyres have been warmed up then cooled behind a safety car, it's much harder to warm them back up again. Red Bull seem to be very good at doing that bit - hence Max zoomed past.

 

[13 rider]

What are people's thought about red bull telling Perez to give the place back only after the restart ,Surely they gained an advantage by Max having a rear gunner ,Surely it's not for the teams to decide when a place is given back but the race stewards
Also the positioning of the safety car line and pit exit are very badly positions but with GPS surely it's a known fact who was in front at that point

 

[Illaveago]

What are people's thought about red bull telling Perez to give the place back only after the restart ,Surely they gained an advantage by Max having a rear gunner ,Surely it's not for the teams to decide when a place is given back but the race stewards
Also the positioning of the safety car line and pit exit are very badly positions but with GPS surely it's a known fact who was in front at that point

Red Bull seem to have too much influence in the race these days .

 

[icowden]

What are people's thought about red bull telling Perez to give the place back only after the restart ,Surely they gained an advantage by Max having a rear gunner ,Surely it's not for the teams to decide when a place is given back but the race stewards

They wanted to avoid a penalty. Of course it is the stewards place to decide, but the stewards decision is going to come with a penalty. If however you give back the place before they award a penalty and tell you to give the place back, you are in a better position. RB clearly decided that there was a high risk of a penalty and having to give back the place. They can't moan to Masi this year or try to intimidate the stewards, so they did the pragmatic thing and gave the place back in the hope of avoiding a penalty - which worked.

 

[classic33]

What are people's thought about red bull telling Perez to give the place back only after the restart ,Surely they gained an advantage by Max having a rear gunner ,Surely it's not for the teams to decide when a place is given back but the race stewards
Also the positioning of the safety car line and pit exit are very badly positions but with GPS surely it's a known fact who was in front at that point

If the place had been given back behind the safety car, it would have been classed as overtaking/passing the car in front of you, which isn't allowed. Result would have been an automatic penalty for the driver doing the overtaking.

Now its up to the teams, not the race stewards to tell their drivers to hand the place back.

Alpine did the same with their two drivers.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

What are people's thought about red bull telling Perez to give the place back only after the restart ,Surely they gained an advantage by Max having a rear gunner ,Surely it's not for the teams to decide when a place is given back but the race stewards
Also the positioning of the safety car line and pit exit are very badly positions but with GPS surely it's a known fact who was in front at that point

You're not allowed to overtake under a Yellow so he couldn't let Sainz through whilst they were in VSC mode, however they have also changed the rules in that they are letting the teams decide to give the place back, then penalise them more if they don't.

 

[SpokeyDokey]

F1 - a brilliant but over-complicated sport. 😁

 

[Reynard]

I prefer Jenson to Damon Hill if we have to make a choice...

Anyone is preferable to Damon Hill...

 

[Reynard]

Something needs to change.
We can’t have a system now where drivers are slowing down and gaming the DRS. That wasn’t what it was designed for.

Mmmm, yes... It's the classic give and inch and take a mile... It doesn't seem to be too much of an issue at other circuits, only this one. But IMHO this does need to be sorted before someone causes a serious pile-up.

It's enough that there's another car or two following reasonably closely behind who themselves can't stop in time as a result.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

It doesn't seem to be too much of an issue at other circuits, only this one.

Yet, we don't want to see them lifting three quarts around Curva Parabolica (Monza) or Eau Rouge (Spa)

 

[figbat]

At this circuit there is a long DRS zone into that corner, where there is another DRS detection zone for the following straight. This is relatively unusual and drives these shenanigans, as seen last year with the rear-ending incident. I was a bit surprised that Max hadn’t worked it out fully until his third attempt at it.