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Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
The Peak District was ram packed with people "going for a drive" on Sunday.

Two obvious categories:
(1) Boy racers - strings of variously souped up cars en convoy.
(2) Family outings - parked up in laybys, clearly not out of a walk or anything, but milling about their car, taking selfies etc.

One of (2) was really odd and potentially very dangerous - sat down in the road as I approached and got his mate to take a picture of him with me in the background. Proper weird.

I can understand (2). That's not "going for a drive". That's going somewhere. Even if you don't do much when you get there. I guess I can understand (1) too. It's a social thing. Or rather it's a antisocial social thing.
 

SpokeyDokey

67, & my GP says I will officially be old at 70!
Moderator
I can understand (2). That's not "going for a drive". That's going somewhere. Even if you don't do much when you get there. I guess I can understand (1) too. It's a social thing. Or rather it's a antisocial social thing.

Whilst we are not agreeing with each other today I have to say that I do like your rather funky avatar. 😊
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
Whilst we are not agreeing with each other today I have to say that I do like your rather funky avatar. 😊

Been playing with https://www.craiyon.com/ "Dinosaur riding a bicycle" For some reason it tends to chop the top of the dino's head off
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jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
There is a lot of anti-car rhetoric on this forum though......which shows in how some people think, you cant just go out for a drive in your car.
 

winjim

Smash the cistern
The Peak District was ram packed with people "going for a drive" on Sunday.

Two obvious categories:
(1) Boy racers - strings of variously souped up cars en convoy.
(2) Family outings - parked up in laybys, clearly not out of a walk or anything, but milling about their car, taking selfies etc.

One of (2) was really odd and potentially very dangerous - sat down in the road as I approached and got his mate to take a picture of him with me in the background. Proper weird.

I was in the Peak District on Sunday but never out of sight of my car. I wouldn't say I was going for a drive though. There was a definite destination and activity involved, I've just got two small children who don't move very far or very fast. It was still very stimulating and engaging for them.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
Going out for a drive in your car imposes costs (pollution, danger, inconvenience) to other people. Objecting to having to suffer those costs, when they are so considerable, doesn't seem unreasonable.

but going out for a ride on your motorbike, boat, quad, etc etc is all ok??.....they subject us all to the same costs, so should people stop doing everything so those costs are stopped??

or are people allowed to have a life??

I also dont get how its a danger and inconvenience?
 
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Jody

Stubborn git
The Peak District was ram packed with people "going for a drive" on Sunday.

Two obvious categories:
(1) Boy racers - strings of variously souped up cars en convoy.

It's August. You can pretty much guarantee they are in convoy heading to a car show or meet rather than aimlessly driving around the peaks.
 

roubaixtuesday

self serving virtue signaller
but going out for a ride on your motorbike, boat, quad, etc etc is all ok??.....they subject us all to the same costs, so should people stop doing everything so those costs are stopped??

or are people allowed to have a life??

All of those activities are different, and impose different costs on others.

In my opinion, motorists impose costs on others far higher than the costs they pay for their activity. That can be quantified for things like carbon emissions, but the costs of dangerous roads, pollution, congestion and the like are arguably far higher still. We motorists should pay the full costs of our imposition on others.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
All of those activities are different, and impose different costs on others.

In my opinion, motorists impose costs on others far higher than the costs they pay for their activity. That can be quantified for things like carbon emissions, but the costs of dangerous roads, pollution, congestion and the like are arguably far higher still. We motorists should pay the full costs of our imposition on others.

never seen a dangerous road?? were are these things you talk of??
 

Dogtrousers

Kilometre nibbler
I don't see a problem if you want to go out for a drive, if that floats your boat.
I'm afraid I kicked this off.

I don't have all that much of a problem either, it just seems a really weird thing to do. Not going anywhere, just driving around. WTF? I use buses and trains a lot but I also don't go out and get on a bus just for the hell of riding on the bus.

But people are strange.
 

winjim

Smash the cistern
I'm afraid I kicked this off.

I don't have all that much of a problem either, it just seems a really weird thing to do. Not going anywhere, just driving around. WTF? I use buses and trains a lot but I also don't go out and get on a bus just for the hell of riding on the bus.

But people are strange.

I have a theory that a lot of the bad feeling towards cyclists comes from the fact that motorists are frustrated trying to get somewhere in order to do something, whereas cyclists often already are doing something.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
I'm afraid I kicked this off.

I don't have all that much of a problem either, it just seems a really weird thing to do. Not going anywhere, just driving around. WTF? I use buses and trains a lot but I also don't go out and get on a bus just for the hell of riding on the bus.

But people are strange.

but its dangerous, polluting and inconvenient....
 
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