Mark Cavendish for SPOTY

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John the Monkey

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montage said:
Watching the TdF, Cav seemed not to bother going for the green jersey, as if he couldn't be bothered.....there was no competition for the sprint stages with most of his rival sprinters being out of the tour. Sure, he is brilliant, but could have tried a bit harder for that jersey
Cavendish tried to win it the way he thought he could, by taking stages. His ability as a climber has improved, but not, I think, to the point where he could realistically challenge consistently for them. Similarly, Hushovd realised he couldn't contend with Cav for the stages, so went out for the intermediates, and second or third on the stages. Each horse ran their own course, as it were.

Cavendish is hugely successful, (certainly last year he'd won more than any other rider in the pro-tour) - he won six stages of the tour, and took the win on the Champs, and he's progressed a great deal this year (he won Milan San-Remo, when most thought he had no chance).

He might even have a chance in this, if it wasn't actually "BBC Sports Personality Who's Won Things in Sports That Most Sun Readers Have Heard Of/Can Be Bothered With".
 

resal1

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Well I may be a cyclist but I am certainly not voting for Cav. Cycle races are for winning. The Tour is a 3 week endurance race. The flat stages are about providing the media with something to write about between the important bits. Brad did very well. He came 4th Like Emma did in the Giro. Cav did an great ride in the MSR. However as a road rider, Cav has a long way to go to catch up with the rides, many cyclists dismissed as being not worthy of SPOTY last year. In reality I think we saw, by some good margin, the best ever rides by a Brit, last year, and we just failed to value them as we should.

So who to vote for ? F1 is not a sport. It is a business and a very lucrative and well run business it is too. The triple jump is about as competitive on the World stage as many track cycling disciplines, with diving in a “little league” below even these. Andrew Strauss and Andy Murray are both very well rewarded and receive reverence from the press, way beyond that their attainment justifies. (What is wrong with our country? If we must have a cricket representative, let us at least have somebody who led a winning team – step forward Charlotte Edwards.) A vote for either Strauss or Murray would be like voting that the Chairman of RBS should receive an even bigger bonus for having his hand on the tiller whilst the taxpayers’ money was loaded into the holds. Ryan Giggs – well he is going nowhere with Wales so he gets the sympathy vote. World Class ? I have listened to a few commentaries and watch MotD. I would definitely say he has been reliable and loyal to Sir Alex. A token footballer !
Boxing – another business. Was somebody trying to tell me he fought an athlete ? I see better physiques in the local gym every week and nobody comes up with some fairy story that these people are World Champions. Boxing needs to get some good management in like Max “spank me harder fraulien” Moseley, then they could come up with more plausible storylines. A couple of years ago the BBC boxing correspondents were trying to sell us, Olympic Champion Amir Khan as SPOTY.

Getting a bit tight. Jessica Ennis is World Champion and had a season’s best of 6,731. I see that in recent years 7 winners have scored over 7,000 with a best of 7,291 and Jessica being behind Denise Lewis’ 1998 score. A void left by Kluft ? 600 marks in 7,000 is just under 10% down. A bit like Riis winning in ’97. After Indurain and before Lance. (No – do not stretch the metaphor, I am not suggesting that any of the heptathletes are doped up to the gills like Mr 60%. Does he still have anything to do with men’s cycling?) Right place, right time. And then Beth Tweddle. Gymnastics lost its competitiveness when it was no longer the extended front line of the Cold War. Without a fully committed Soviet Block, performances seem muted. My perceptions. Maybe I am wrong. I will happily stand corrected.

So who is not there? Well there is Victoria. Great riding, beats everyone put in front of her, well done on that lady – but please read above. Steve Peat – how does anyone get somebody to pay for you to take a car ride to the top of the hill with your bicycle ? I enjoy descending and I am entirely confident that I am not a tiny fraction as good as Steve Peat. I have heard Phil the Power is quite good at descending as well. Joanne Jackson, beat Adlington and set a new World record but then only took silver at the Worlds so we need to write her out of the history books. Gemma Spoforth went one better and took gold in the 100m backstroke. Getting close. I do wish there were less swimming medals – all those lengths and strokes, you can never work out who has struck it lucky dodging the competition. Triathlon re-arranged itself this year (well the ITU bit did, not the WTF bit (oh dear undermining myself here, sounds like boxing)). Alistair Brownlee is ITU World Triathlon champion. They changed from a single event to a World Cup format. Champion this year, Alistair seems to have garnered as much publicity as Helen Tucker before him (and Nicole Cooke). Major event, worldwide participation, athletic endeavor, 3 % off the top and you are nowhere. Alistair would have had my vote above any of the others. Sadly I see that according to the BBC, who outsourced the preparation of the top 10 to the newspapers, (when did Zoo become a font of knowledge to guide the great unwashed ?). http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_radio/sports_personality_of_the_year/default.stm Alistair did not warrant a single vote from any.

Oh well, I must be dumb. I see one newspaper decided Cristiano Ronaldo needed to be on the short list of top 10 GB performers. The Ladybird book explaining the rules must have been left out of their pack. And then there is Dario Franchitti who is deserving, according to our betters. Yes, I had to do a google as well. Exactly as I thought before I wasted some life. The one that had me scratching my head was Catriona Matthew who received multiple nominations. According to Wikki - In January 2009, she won the inaugural HSBC LPGA Brasil Cup 2009, an unofficial LPGA event with a field of 14 LPGA players and a Brazilian national amateur. Matthew was five months pregnant with her second child at the time of the victory. And there was me moaning about Jessica Ennis being 10% off the pace.. Bring on the yachters sponsored by all the banks – what the hell do I know. Brad and Emma – you did the business for me this year, thank you. I will avoid the program and instead watch the Road World Champs of 2008 instead. The winner of SPOTY 2009 is - (sponsored by the Max and Bernie show) –Mister Jason ……
 

Rip Van

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carrock said:
Maybe it's just me, but Cavendish comes across as an arrogant whinging brat who needs a good slapping. Not a very endearing " personality "

He's very good at completing the TdF 4 hours behind everyone else, and hiding behind his team until he can have a bit of a sprint, and blocking the occasional Norwegian. Also is incredibly rude to ITV4 interviewers from time to time

On the other hand Wiggins is very personable, completed the TdF a couple of minutes behind Contador, and is very gracious.

Hmmmmm......difficult one

+1:laugh:
 

Flying_Monkey

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resal1 said:
Steve Peat – how does anyone get somebody to pay for you to take a car ride to the top of the hill with your bicycle ? I enjoy descending and I am entirely confident that I am not a tiny fraction as good as Steve Peat. I have heard Phil the Power is quite good at descending as well.

I agree with some of your rant, but this is to put it carefully, misguided. To put it in context, it is like trying to compare cross-country skiing with downhill skiing and complaining because the downhillers use the lifts to get to the top, and all they have to do is let gravity do its stuff. The kind of skills you need to get the right line at speed and maintain control are seriously hard.

(BTW, Cav was the most successful sprinter of the year. He won plenty: stages and the Milan - San Remo too. It's not just about winning the big stage races, it's about consistency and the Pro-Tour standings. But I agree that this won't play with the public).
 

John the Monkey

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Flying_Monkey said:
(BTW, Cav was the most successful sprinter of the year. He won plenty: stages and the Milan - San Remo too. It's not just about winning the big stage races, it's about consistency and the Pro-Tour standings. But I agree that this won't play with the public).
It's hard to think of any other sportsman from Britain who we, and his opponents, expect to win every contest too. ISTR during the tour ITV4 showed the percentage of contested sprints he'd won, and it was phenomenal.
 

BigSteev

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As a huge motor racing fan I can only hope that Button doesn't win. He's at best an average driver - he couldn't even win the British F3 championship - and has wandered from good team to good team breaking contracts left, right and centre before fortuitously ended up in a car which, thanks to it's complete uncompetitiveness in the previous season, had benefitted from a huge amount of development and a contentious device to give it a huge advantage for the first half a dozen races. From that point on he fell backwards as other teams amended their cars to add 'double diffusers'. Finally scraping his way to the world title how did he repay his team? Oh yeah, by jumping ship for the riches of McLaren. Tosser.
 

Dave5N

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John the Monkey said:
It's hard to think of any other sportsman from Britain who we, and his opponents, expect to win every contest too. ISTR during the tour ITV4 showed the percentage of contested sprints he'd won, and it was phenomenal.


+19.5
 

resal1

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Did any follower of cycling expect Cav to win the 2008 World Champs? Did any follower of cycling expect Cav to win the 2009 world Champs, even if he had been in the best form of his life ? Did any follower of cycling expect Cav to win the Olympic road race ? etc., etc. If you did, you need to replace Brailsford as director at team GB. I certainly expect that if the stage or race is flat and the best lead out team in the World (can even place the 2nd rider on the Champs - the other teams are so far behind) -High Road, back Cav with a lead out train, he will win. (Starts to sound more like a business rather than a sport). Fortunately not every cycle race is flat.
 

raindog

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BigSteev said:
As a huge motor racing fan I can only hope that Button doesn't win. He's at best an average driver - he couldn't even win the British F3 championship - and has wandered from good team to good team breaking contracts left, right and centre before fortuitously ended up in a car which, thanks to it's complete uncompetitiveness in the previous season, had benefitted from a huge amount of development and a contentious device to give it a huge advantage for the first half a dozen races. From that point on he fell backwards as other teams amended their cars to add 'double diffusers'. Finally scraping his way to the world title how did he repay his team? Oh yeah, by jumping ship for the riches of McLaren. Tosser.
Button's championship was completely deserved. Six wins - no one else got near that - and he soundly beat his team mate. And to thank their drivers for bringing them both championships Brawn "let Barrichello go" and messed Button about so much over his 2010 contract, even though he stuck with them last winter even when it looked as if he might soon be out of a job, that he got fed up and signed with another team. And if the Brawn was only the "best car" for half the season, that makes his chamionship even more remarquable, but let's all bash him anyway.
 

Flying_Monkey

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resal1 said:
Fortunately not every cycle race is flat.

And neither is the finish of the Milan - San Remo, and no-one expected him to win that either. If you've watched Cav's progress, you can see that he is evolving into more than a flat race sprinter. And he didn't ride the World Championship in 2009 because he was ill (the same illness that forced him out of the Tour of Missouri) - not that I think he had a chance this time.

You are either being deliberately mischievous or you don't know much about bike racing (and given your other posts, I doubt the latter is true!).

I'm a climber and I favour the mountains, but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate a superbly talented cyclist who happens to be a sprinter when I see one. And one who at least does have a personality (like it or not) and is not a heroic non-entity in the great British sporting tradition. ;)
 

Cab

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John the Monkey said:
It's hard to think of any other sportsman from Britain who we, and his opponents, expect to win every contest too.

Oh, I can think of a few. They're all cyclists, though :smile:

The reason why I'd like Cav to win is because after the success of team GB on the Velodrome, it'd be good to see more publicity for the superb performances we're seeing from our riders on the roads too.
 

darkstar

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resal1 said:
Steve Peat – how does anyone get somebody to pay for you to take a car ride to the top of the hill with your bicycle ? I enjoy descending and I am entirely confident that I am not a tiny fraction as good as Steve Peat. I have heard Phil the Power is quite good at descending as well.
What a ridiculous comment to make, i raced for a couple of years until i dislocated some vertebrae in my back. The sport takes huge levels of skill, judgement and guts. Just because they don't ride uphill (which in itself impossible with a downhill bike) does not mean the sport does not require huge amounts of physical strength. Steve pete has proven himself time and time again as one of the best downhillers in the world, he has now proved it by winning the worlds.
I suppose in your judgment, downhill skiing is not a sport?
 
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