Katie Price needs help

[lazybloke]

Is she a danger to her children?

She is a danger to others. 'nuff said.

Are her children neglected?

I doubt it. I've never made such a claim, but I've mentioned danger not neglect.

I can see nothing in the affirmative on either.

The poster I was responding to was stating that her children should be removed. I am providing a counterpoint, pointing to the criteria that are applied.

I am not debating whether there should be consequences of her actions, I have said a number of times that I am sure there will be consequences, and that things will catch up with her eventually.

Not our place to decide whether her children should be removed, or not.

I just hope KP learns her lessons before she causes damage to herself or others

 

[newts]

That is one of the bleakest posts I think I've read on the web. I'm sorry you feel that.

Would you care to answer my question about your factual sources of caring motherhood by KP & why you think your viewpoint has any more credibility than other people's posts on this thread?

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

She is a danger to others. 'nuff said.


I doubt it. I've never made such a claim, but I've mentioned danger not neglect.



Not our place to decide whether her children should be removed, or not.

I just hope KP learns her lessons before she causes damage to herself or others

That would be the best scenario - but she might need some sort of dramatic kick to get her there!

at the moment her income depends on dramatic situations and videos - so she is being pushed in more and more things that are not helping

 

[Jameshow]

It's OK, bandages off, gone on holiday with mum and daughter. No Harvey though !

Bet these holidays must feel very much like work tbh.

Rather like when you explore an area to move to then settle there - the holiday feeling wears off.

Or like staying in nice hotels whilst on business - it's just another hotel.

Bet she longs for normally and not having to shoot film!

 

[Bonefish Blues]

Would you care to answer my question about your factual sources of caring motherhood by KP & why you think your viewpoint has any more credibility than other people's posts on this thread?

No, I will leave you to your dystopian view thanks. My intention is to provide a counterpoint to this pile-on that people seem so ready to join, and I have framed my posts carefully to that effect (which you mischaracterise above)

I'm sure the authorities will be along soon enough if your view is correct. Maybe absentee fathers might even return to step up to their roles at that point?

 

[Drago]

My words were borne of personal experience. It's an inexact science, perhaps a little like policing - there's a statutory framework, of course, but an awful lot of judgement and experience that's brought to bear to achieve the desired outcomes.

Mine are borne of personal experience too.

I once overrode a social service bod, who clearly didn't have the remotest grasp of the consequences if she turned out to be wrong, and went as far as taking a child into protective custody myself.

I got some short term heat and a lot of form filling, but guess who turned out to be right? I got a quiet 'attaboy' from the CI for that.

On another I threatened to arrest one for obstructing a police officer, such was their intransigence when requested to do their lawful duty as an appropriate adult for a child in custody.

And so on and so forth, ad nauseum...

A few were very good. A few brazenly let their political outlook determine their actions . The bulk were either incredibly stupid or else working to an agenda other than the best interests of the subject. I suspect the latter may have been the case most of the time, particularly perhaps budgetary or resource considerations.

Whatever, in nearly 3 decades of regularly working with them the ones that could be trusted to do the right thing in most circumstances were a minority. Even worse, the good ones could see the shower of sheet around them and rarely stuck around long as a result.

 

[newts]

No, I will leave you to your dystopian view thanks. My intention is to provide a counterpoint to this pile-on that people seem so ready to join, and I have framed my posts carefully to that effect (which you mischaracterise above)

I'm sure the authorities will be along soon enough if your view is correct. Maybe absentee fathers might even return to step up to their roles at that point?

You must get very giddy sat so high up on your moral high horse, repeatedly denegrating others people's posts as reactions to newspaper/social media exaggeration. Yet your point of view is based from same sources albeit a different viewpoint. Perhaps it's time you accepted people have a different opinion on this subject.

 

[DRM]

'I read it in the paper' or 'I saw it online' so you feel well able to judge her suitability as a parent. So much so that you are confident to state that her children should be removed from her by the State.

I have never seen anything suggesting she is anything other than a caring, loving mother who takes good care of her children. She has a lifestyle that neither you nor I would espouse or practice. This does not however make her an unfit parent whose children should be removed by the State.

A caring loving mother doesn't do drugs, drink & drive, drive while banned, drive with no licence, drive whilst using a mobile phone, go bankrupt several times,not pay HMRC whats due, go get cosmetic surgery abroad when bankrupt, flash everything they've got on Only Fans, reportedly at the last holiday having pus weeping from the surgery wounds, so it's OK when the Police go round to deliver a Death-O-Gram to her kids, after a driving accident, or she ends up with an infection or septicaemia from botched surgery, she needs a huge rude awakening before SHE deprives her kids of a Mother for ever.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

A caring loving mother doesn't do drugs, drink & drive, drive while banned, drive with no licence, drive whilst using a mobile phone, go bankrupt several times,not pay HMRC whats due, go get cosmetic surgery abroad when bankrupt, flash everything they've got on Only Fans, reportedly at the last holiday having pus weeping from the surgery wounds, so it's OK when the Police go round to deliver a Death-O-Gram to her kids, after a driving accident, or she ends up with an infection or septicaemia from botched surgery, she needs a huge rude awakening before SHE deprives her kids of a Mother for ever.

When I was teaching I came across far worse mothers who still had their kids living with them
Ex cops and other ex teachers can probably all cite examples

I presume there are people I don;t know about who look after the kids when she "can't" be around
She appears to be away so much that if she ends up behind bars then they will be OK

Of course I suspect the house and everything is being paid for by companies for tax purposes so the home may well also be safe

There is a lot about her life that we do not know

but I do not doubt she is loving and caring - just not in a normal way to us
and I have known mothers who are desperate to keep their kids and certainly love them - but honestly the kids were better off when they were taken away


what is without doubt is that she sets a bloomin awful example to them about how to live

 

[HMS_Dave]

A lot of these celebs get their holidays paid for so the paps can get some pics. So that might explain some of her ability to go abroad, adding to speculation...

But anyway, we can't possibly speculate on KP's ability to be a mother without also acknowledging what a complete King Dick Spanner Harvey's father is who has been absent and largely in denial for the entire of his sons life. Bringing up disabled children in particular is difficult for a functioning, loving and supportive set of parents, let alone a single one with obvious, well documented personal difficulties. Sure, she has(d) money, but that can't mean that she is impervious to all difficulties the average Joe and Jane might face. That being said, i wouldn't like to be on the same stretch of road as her whether im on a bike or in a car...

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

A lot of these celebs get their holidays paid for so the paps can get some pics. So that might explain some of her ability to go abroad, adding to speculation...

But anyway, we can't possibly speculate on KP's ability to be a mother without also acknowledging what a complete King Dick Spanner Harvey's father is who has been absent and largely in denial for the entire of his sons life. Bringing up disabled children in particular is difficult for a functioning, loving and supportive set of parents, let alone a single one with obvious, well documented personal difficulties. Sure, she has(d) money, but that can't mean that she is impervious to all difficulties the average Joe and Jane might face. That being said, i wouldn't like to be on the same stretch of road as her whether im on a bike or in a car...

As far as Harvey's father is concerned - I used to know someone who had a disabled daughter - some sort of genetic problem.
She fought tooth an nail to get full custody and deny her ex-husband any access

her final victory and her greatest triumph (in her eyes) was when she managed to badger her husband to give a dna sample - I think he was partly hoping it would show he wasn;t the Dad
But it showed that he remote tendency for this chromosome fault was from his side of the family and not hers

She regarded this as the final victory and in her eyes it made everything his fault and her the innocent victim who was heroically dealing with problems he had caused to HER daughter

Sometimes parents just want to blame the other parent in some ways and justify legging it - or in the above case - justify their position as hero/heroine