Jeremy Vine calls for drivers to be banned from overtaking cyclists in cities

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My partner used to do a lot of cycling around and kind of got me back into it after a long hiatus. It was her only form of personal transport when I first met her and until I relented and put her on my car insurance.

From the age of 3.5 years our son toured and even cycled his own bike when at home I think. At 4.5 years of age he was on his own bike touring and doing 50 miles a day possibly more. He toured and cycled more for the next two years until about 7 or perhaps even 8 ish. At that point we moved and he kind of stopped cycling so much. Now at 11 / 12 he is using my partners bike and wanting to ride around more and more with his mates on the roads (all small country roads in a very popular cycling ares). My partner has limited the places he can ride because she is now afraid of the traffic.

Now this is a big change for her IMHO because she never seemed too bothered by traffic before. She has ridden on tours around the world so likely to have seen the worst of the traffic out there. Part of me thinks that it is since cycling became more popular to be talked about and in particular talking about how dangerous it is on the roads. The thing is it is still actually quite rare to get a cycling accident round here that they get reported in the local press as being unusual. It is a popular cycling area and drivers round here expect to see cyclists and do modify driving. Still some nutters but not as many as other places I have cycled.

So I kind of think that there is something to the perception of cycling risk being linked to the amount of conversation about how dangerous drivers are or how bad drivers are on the roads these days. I personally think they are no worse or better than of old, well possibly better but offset by size of cars perhaps. So I do wonder if all these threads that highlight risk, whether founded or not, are self defeating in creating a climate of public fear about cycling. Assuming critical mass is significant with improving cycling safety and access then giving an excuse not to cycle on saferty grounds is self defeating.
 
So teh same as the perception that kids NEED a smartphone with them at ALL times because it is the only thing keeping them safe

Which is caused by people having access to news reports hyping up every time a child goes missing
but it isn't happening more - we are just more aware of it
and if little Freddy goes missing for 2 hours because he went to his friend's house then it is plastered all over th local news
 

mr_cellophane

Legendary Member
Location
Essex
I don't think banning cars from cities is the way forward, unless there are adequate bypasses. it might work in London (I've neevr driven there) but for a smaller city like Plymouth it wouldn't work because the roads skirting the city centre are simply not up to carrying that much traffic. More bus lanes (which also allow cycles) I think is a better use of money. A bus is generally slower and because of the stops it is unlikely to catch up and overtake a cyclist further down the road. Also, they are usually covered my cameras which on its own is a big incentive for buses and taxis to drive more safely if they know they are being watched.

If you ban cars from cities, there will be less revenue from parking and ULEZ chargs etc, so even less for highways/councils to spend on safe cycling infrastructure

If you ban cars from cities all roads will become safe cycling infrastructure for no extra cost.
 

Psamathe

Senior Member
Who believes that the people who are PIA in cars will be any better on a bicycle?

Maybe feeling a little more vulnerable might make them take a bit more responsibility for their own safety.
I wonder if significant change of driver attitudes is possible without those drivers being forced to try cycling. Driver with inconsiderate attitude on an occasional cycle ride may easily just be "can't see what the problem these cyclists moan about ..." (bravado). But if their 12 year old daughter is daily riding to and from school or their partner regularly cycling to shops then maybe being considerate and aware of cyclist's' vulnerability would be more prominent in their minds? See a cyclist and "that could be my child or partner".

So maybe smaller (and easier) development of cycling could make big changes.

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Happy_Days

Active Member
some drivers don't know how to behave
The basic driving test doesn’t cover overtaking skills. Consequently, drivers are left to learn overtaking skills by making it up as they go along :rolleyes:

Overtaking—particularly on rural roads—is one of the most complex driving tasks, yet it’s barely touched on when learning to drive.

I wish more motorists would take an advanced driving course or at least watch this excellent video:


View: https://youtu.be/UPN_XvaYU2k?feature=shared
 
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