ITV4's review of doping issues, broadcast on the TdF rest day

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Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
Any pro teams budget is huge, even Europcar's, but the real reason that Sky is winning this TdF, so far, with Froome is that they invested wisely on his potential, not that he has pricey TT bars!

However with the money they have they can invest in a better trainer and programs etc. Even send him to the hills of fark knows where to practice where another team may not be able too.
 

lukesdad

Guest
Lets not get confused between a teams budget and a teams resources.
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
However with the money they have they can invest in a better trainer and programs etc. Even send him to the hills of f*** knows where to practice where another team may not be able too.
They chose to spend the money on sophisticated training which the other teams are now beginning to follow, after years of being stuck in a rut, in much the way British football stagnated while being overtaken by continental teams.
Investing wisely.
 

Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
Lets not get confused between a teams budget and a teams resources.

Either one ,it relays back to what I originally said. Is it wrong for a team to dope to become competitive again vs a rival which outranks it in both areas. Fact is most teams will dope but legal or illegal doping being the question.
 

lukesdad

Guest
Any pro teams budget is huge, even Europcar's, but the real reason that Sky is winning this TdF, so far, with Froome is that they invested wisely on his potential, not that he has pricey TT bars!
i wasn t suggesting it was, europcar will be pleased to find they re a pro team now.
 

lukesdad

Guest
They chose to spend the money on sophisticated training which the other teams are now beginning to follow, after years of being stuck in a rut, in much the way British football stagnated while being overtaken by continental teams.
Investing wisely.
Investing wisely indeed, mainly with huge lumps of dosh gathered from the national lottery and british taxpayer.
 

lukesdad

Guest
Rich half the people instigating and conducting these programmes are not paid by sky.
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
i wasn t suggesting it was, europcar will be pleased to find they re a pro team now.
In that case I missed your point about the tri-bars costing £12k.
True about Europcar not be Pro but what was the point in comparing them though?
 

oldroadman

Veteran
Location
Ubique
Either one ,it relays back to what I originally said. Is it wrong for a team to dope to become competitive again vs a rival which outranks it in both areas. Fact is most teams will dope but legal or illegal doping being the question.

Yes it is wrong to use illegal substances. And should be hammered - 5 years first time, life for a second at a minimum. Career ending suspension for a first offence for most riders. Plus the teams and their management to be heavily penalised, to focus the minds of those supposedly in charge of their riders. Loss of World Tour licence for 2 years would make some of the less "interested" management think.
Investment in proper structured training and, for instance, altitude work which does not have to cost a fortune, but requires a large amount of dedication and application. To suggest it is too expensive for €12 million euro budget teams is nonsense. Hotels at altitude can be cheap if you book the place out of season, which is when a lot of the work gets done. What is needed by some teams is a shift in mindset, where the team takes responsibility for rider training, welfare, nutrition, individual programmes and monitoring them (all easy with technology, and does not just say "be at the start of xyz race ready to go in x months". That was the old way, and look where it got "traditional" teams.
Sky and Garmin are examples of changing the paradigm.
 

rich p

ridiculous old lush
Location
Brighton
Dowsetts face have you been drinking ? :tongue:
Is that it????^_^
Blimey, I'd be better off having a debate with the headcam man that training at altitude is the same as blood doping and I'm steering well clear of that cul-de-sac!!!!
p.s. yes, of course I've been drinking.
 
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