How can wearing a helmet offer no protection from injury?

[Angelfishsolo]

Out of interest my Dad taught me about electrical sockets rather than just telling me not to touch them. He also included tales from his army days when they stuck six inch nails in the fuse box and dropped two metal plates into containers of water to boil it for tea. So I learnt a lot about electrickery and what you should and shouldn't do with it. And by the way, you would have to have much more than wet hands to have a safety issue with a socket unless you were totally ignorant and did something very very silly.

The understanding came in very useful later in life when I was working with lethal voltages of many tens or hundreds of thousands of volts.

So you replied on anecdotal evidence from one person. Isn't that what you criticise others for doing?

 

[Red Light]

So you replied on anecdotal evidence from one person. Isn't that what you criticise others for doing?

No. We often rely on experts as trusted intermediaries, e.g. GPs, teachers, lawyers or accountants, rather than learning everything about every subject for ourselves. My Dad was fully qualified as it turns out to act as a trusted intermediary although I will admit when I was young that trust was faith rather than evidence based but it also became evidence based over time.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

No. We often rely on experts as trusted intermediaries, e.g. GPs, teachers, lawyers or accountants, rather than learning everything about every subject for ourselves. My Dad was fully qualified as it turns out to act as a trusted intermediary although I will admit when I was young that trust was faith rather than evidence based but it also became evidence based over time.

We do indeed reply on experts. The thing is experts can disagree. TBH I fully understand what it is like to place 100% faith in what a Father tells you as a child. You are lucky that you were told the truth. From about 16 onwards I had to completely rebuild my mental picture of the world as just about everything I had been told was either crap or skewed.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

We do indeed reply on experts. The thing is experts can disagree. TBH I fully understand what it is like to place 100% faith in what a Father tells you as a child. You are lucky that you were told the truth. From about 16 onwards I had to completely rebuild my mental picture of the world as just about everything I had been told was either crap or skewed.

It's sometimes sickening seeig the damage that is done to children by adults they trsut! :-(

 

[Angelfishsolo]

It's sometimes sickening seeig the damage that is done to children by adults they trsut! :-(

I could continue down that road but I don't want to turn this thread into a emotional outpouring.

 

[Red Light]

We do indeed reply on experts. The thing is experts can disagree.

Indeed they can but nevertheless the advice of trusted expert intermediaries is not the anecdotal evidence of one person.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Indeed they can but nevertheless the advice of trusted expert intermediaries is not the anecdotal evidence of one person.

What would you call "went on to tell stories". By my understanding of the word such a story in a anecdote.

 

[mickle]

Red Light, please would you produce that graph which illustrates the steep rise in head injuries to pro cycling since the introduction of compulsion.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Red Light, please would you produce that graph which illustrates the steep rise in head injuries to pro cycling since the introduction of compulsion.

Can the graph also include every other change that has taken place in pro cycling over that time please?

 

[mickle]

Can the graph also include every other change that has taken place in pro cycling over that time please?

No.

 

[twobiker]

Since twobiker seems intent on running the same thread twice in parallel on this one, I will also point out in this thread that the 80%+ figure is so discredited that the ASA banned BHIT from using it in their literature. So you can assume any source that uses it for evidence in support of helmets is also discredited.

Still won't stop me from wearing one.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

No.

Then it is pointless. Unless all the changes are evaluated it is not possible to blame helmets for the increase in head injuries.

 

[JonnyBlade]

Then it is pointless. Unless all the changes are evaluated it is not possible to blame helmets for the increase in head injuries.

Surely Sir you jest? Don't you know helmets are the devils creation

 

[twobiker]

What about a horned helmet like a viking ?.

 

[mickle]

Then it is pointless. Unless all the changes are evaluated it is not possible to blame helmets for the increase in head injuries.

Right. Such as for example?