How can wearing a helmet offer no protection from injury?

[Angelfishsolo]

i put up a link to some more info,http://daviswiki.org/Bicycle_Helmets. and then click NHTSA fact sheet, probably deemed not scientific enough though.

Of course not. The results suggest that helmet wearing is a good thing. We can't have that now can we

 

[lukesdad]

It doesn't actually. At the single incident level you would have to repeat the incident again exactly the same except wearing a helmet. Who knows, the door edge might have dug into the helmet and wrenched your neck instead of the scalp wound you got. Without the control case (and not something that was vaguely similar but exactly the same) you can't say whether your injury, even though it might be a different type, would have been less, the same or more.

And then there is the problem that if you wore a helmet you would hit your head more often because you would need more clearance to avoid the garage door hitting your helmeted head and your natural instincts are conditioned around sufficient clearance for your unhelmeted head, not the bigger helmeted one. Over a period of time that larger number of hits might mean you have more injuries wearing a helmet when helmetless there would have been no incident at all. I have hit my helmeted head on door frames a number of times in moments of distraction due to my only just clearing them without one. It can be very painful, especially on the neck.

Although you are probably right, probably isn't proof.

It has to be scientific, otherwise Red Light and his mates would be out of a job.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

It has to be scientific, otherwise Red Light and his mates would be out of a job.

Out of interest: Red Light, as a child when told not to touch electrical sockets with wet hands did you read through all of the available data to reach a conclusion or did you take it at face value?

 

[twobiker]

Out of interest: Red Light, as a child when told not to touch electrical sockets with wet hands did you read through all of the available data to reach a conclusion or did you take it at face value?

I stuck a piece of silver foil in a live socket once, it wasn't that bad, and held a wire I found in my loft, it was the end of a ring main, just got a bit warm, 240 volts ain't so tough.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I stuck a piece of silver foil in a live socket once, it wasn't that bad, and held a wire I found in my loft, it was the end of a ring main, just got a bit warm, 240 volts ain't so tough.

Hard man errrr

I pulled a plug out of a floor mounted electrical socket only to find the top had not been screwed in properly. The result was fun. Seemed to cure my cold though[sup]*[/sup]




[sub]*NB I am not suggesting electric shock treatment as a cure for colds.[/sub]

 

[twobiker]

Hard man errrr

I pulled a plug out of a floor mounted electrical socket only to find the top had not been screwed in properly. The result was fun. Seemed to cure my cold though[sup]*[/sup]




[sub]*NB I am not suggesting electric shock treatment as a cure for colds.[/sub]

Hard no , just not that good at electrics, Father-in-law tried to wire up a light switch kept blowing fuse wire, the bulb in his screwdriver tester had blown.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Hard no , just not that good at electrics, Father-in-law tried to wire up a light switch kept blowing fuse wire, the bulb in his screwdriver tester had blown.

and you decided to act as a tester?

 

[twobiker]

and you decided to act as a tester?

He kept changing the configuration and then saying "try it now", BANG !!, new piece of fuse wire, "OK try it now"BANG !! FOUR TIMES, I ran out of 5amp in the end.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

He kept changing the configuration and then saying "try it now", BANG !!, new piece of fuse wire, "OK try it now"BANG !! FOUR TIMES, I ran out of 5amp in the end.

Sorry but I can just picture it

 

[Dan B]

your natural instincts are conditioned around sufficient clearance for your unhelmeted head, not the bigger helmeted one

Obviously the answer is to wear the helmet all the time. From birth.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Obviously the answer is to wear the helmet all the time. From birth.

Is it a natural instinct to get on a bike?

 

[mickle]

My experience with the garage door proved you wrong. Why do you choose to ignore that fact?

Fact? Your experience with the garage door proved that your cycle helmet helps to protect you from injury when banging your head against a garage door. A building site hard hat, bowler hat or half a melon would have achieved the same thing.

As to whether a bicycle helmet protects cyclists from injury whilst doing cyclist type activities? The ANSI and SNELL standards tests for cycle helmets drop an anvil onto the crown of a helmet. They prove that a cycle helmet absorbs some of the impact of an object falling from the sky. The standards do not prove that cycle helmet protects cyclists heads when they fall off their bikes.

Red light has shown us evidence that head injuries to racing cyclists actually increased as a result of helmet compulsion.


I'll say it again. There is no evidence that cycle helmets protect cyclists from head injury. None.

Prove me wrong.

 

[lukesdad]

Fact? Your experience with the garage door proved that your cycle helmet helps to protect you from injury when banging your head against a garage door. A building site hard hat, bowler hat or half a melon would have achieved the same thing.

As to whether a bicycle helmet protects cyclists from injury whilst doing cyclist type activities? The ANSI and SNELL standards tests for cycle helmets drop an anvil onto the crown of a helmet. They prove that a cycle helmet absorbs some of the impact of an object falling from the sky. The standards do not prove that cycle helmet protects cyclists heads when they fall off their bikes.

Red light has shown us evidence that head injuries to racing cyclists actually increased as a result of helmet compulsion.


I'll say it again. There is no evidence that cycle helmets protect cyclists from head injury. None.

Prove me wrong.

So what happened in racing in the 50s then ? The racing is a red herring the numbers are to small to be of significance. How can you say they increased as a result of compulsion ? It could be completely incidental.

As to evidence that helmets prevent head injuries, there is none as far as I know, but why would there be. Who reports that a helmet has saved them from injury, why would you?

This is why banging on about evidence is not getting you anywhere. Its quite apparent from the various threads riders are relying on their own personal experience.

 

[the snail]

As to evidence that helmets prevent head injuries, there is none as far as I know, but why would there be. Who reports that a helmet has saved them from injury, why would you?

You'd expect to see a difference in casualty statistics when more people use helmets, AFAIK this isn't the case.

 

[mickle]

So what happened in racing in the 50s then ? The racing is a red herring the numbers are to small to be of significance. How can you say they increased as a result of compulsion ? It could be completely incidental.

As to evidence that helmets prevent head injuries, there is none as far as I know, but why would there be. Who reports that a helmet has saved them from injury, why would you?

This is why banging on about evidence is not getting you anywhere. Its quite apparent from the various threads riders are relying on their own personal experience.

Exactly. That's my point. There is no evidence.

Red light will be along in a minute with his excellent graph which clearly shows a correlation between helmet compultion and an increased death. Not a red herring. Evidence.