Hi Viz

[youngoldbloke]

Got any science to back up that intuition? And having seen you earlier how do you know that will make any difference to the drivers behaviour?

It is almost entirely a question of 'not seeing' so your intuition is wrong there too.

No science, no intuition, just real, everyday, experience. I said earlier. OK - lets have the references re. 'not seeing' .

 

[oldstrath]

Wouldn't do any good if I did. I think it's only in London that you can?

I reported someone doing this to our local station, and she was fined (mind you, our local coppers are properly local, and do a good job of looking out for cyclists).

 

[Leodis]

High vis clothing doesn't make cars pass you more safely, says new study

 

[MontyVeda]

i tend to wear a white/cream baseball cap when it's dark instead of one of my green, blue or brown ones... that's hi-viz innit.

 

[Tim Hall]

Our admiration and affection.

That makes it all worthwhile.

 

[bianchi1]

High vis clothing doesn't make cars pass you more safely, says new study

I do wish people would read this study before using it to back up their arguments.

The tests took place in daylight and good visibility, it did not try to look at whether these devices made cyclists more visible at intersections or at night.

The researcher is not simply saying wearing high viz makes no difference, he is saying that drivers "do not adjust overtaking proximity as a function of a rider’s perceived experience".

He draws no conclusions about the effects of high viz clothing making cyclists more or less conspicuous.

And finally the author clearly states "anything cyclists can do to make themselves more visible to drivers - such as wearing reflectives and lights, especially in the dark - is an advantage for them"

 

[Leodis]

Give over, have you noticed how careful drivers are around you whilst head to toe in your HiViz clown outfit? Drivers not looking will still not be looking no matter what you are wearing in my experience.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

No science, no intuition, just real, everyday, experience. I said earlier. OK - lets have the references re. 'not seeing' .

The Invisible Gorilla. At a good bookshop near you.

and your real experience is anecdata.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

I do wish people would read this study before using it to back up their arguments.

The tests took place in daylight and good visibility, it did not try to look at whether these devices made cyclists more visible at intersections or at night.

The researcher is not simply saying wearing high viz makes no difference, he is saying that drivers "do not adjust overtaking proximity as a function of a rider’s perceived experience".

He draws no conclusions about the effects of high viz clothing making cyclists more or less conspicuous.

And finally the author clearly states "anything cyclists can do to make themselves more visible to drivers - such as wearing reflectives and lights, especially in the dark - is an advantage for them"

So the study says that hi-viz does not make drivers pass a cyclist more safely in the opinion of cyclists then?

 

[mickle]

Sorry, can i just clarify, are we talking about fluorescents or reflectives?

 

[youngoldbloke]

Sorry I must be thick, but when I shine my torch down my garden path at night and the beam falls on next doors pale tabby he is much more readily visible than when the beam lights up the black cat from a few doors away . I am not consciously looking for either of them. Why is this?

 

[theclaud]

Sorry I must be thick, but when I shine my torch down my garden path at night and the beam falls on next doors pale tabby he is much more readily visible than when the beam lights up the black cat from a few doors away . I am not consciously looking for either of them. Why is this?

It's cos of dis ting dat is in de air, called science. Innit.

 

[ComedyPilot]

Meanwhile in the Netherlands, the widespread implementation of hi-viz goes on unabated.......

 

[ComedyPilot]

Another Dutch cyclist....hard to spot, but she's the one in black.....

 

[ComedyPilot]

What we have over 6 pages is the luminous green camp and their 'appease the motorist at all costs' approach. That is foiled at every turn by the 'wear what the bloody hell I like' brigade and their 'the motorist should be watching where the hell they're going given they're propelling a ton of metal on OUR streets' manifesto.....

Perhaps if a few million motorists swopped (sic) their 'precious' cars for humble bicycles and felt what it's like to be driven at, attacked, sworn at, rammed off the road, abused, endangered and generally treated as a hindrance to (frankly) non-essential motoring, then perhaps we might actually get somewhere?

Till then the enlightened few can enjoy self-propelled, energetic, (relatively) cheap, approachable, friendly, green travel.

Or we can do as the drivers want us to do, dress up like a bloomin' lemon and accept responsibility for THEIR near-total abdication of observation whilst driving.