glenn forger
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I asked you first. You ignored it because you know there is no way on God's earth a real paramedic would recommend shouting at cyclists, it's just absurd.
Helmets; The Paramedics View
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I asked you first. You ignored it because you know there is no way on God's earth a real paramedic would recommend shouting at cyclists, it's just absurd.
KneesUp
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Do I?
As I am unaware of this evidence I have no view on it. Perhaps you could enlighten me and we could talk about it rather than staggering around the thread like a drunk looking for a fight at closing time?
glenn forger
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So when you said "a helmet wan't make things worse" you meant "I haven't actually researched it"?
slowmotion
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He'll be needing a helmet if he's pissed, won't he?
KneesUp
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One of the suggested reasons is that cyclists in helmets are generally less cautious. That factor is not relevant to me I don't think as I don't ride any differently - I've had too many close shaves as a youngster to be anything other than cautious at all times. I personally have seen no evidence of the other suggested reason (drivers drive closer to cyclists in helmets) so I'm dismissing that based on my experience.
I have had a few head injuries and I know that heads bleed a lot and that when an elastic strap slips out of your hand and hits you in the side of the head, you can still feel it months later. Basically a minor head injury really hurts. And yes I did once knock myself out running up the stairs (low beam) and no I don't wear a helmet in the house.
KneesUp
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It was an assumption I'd made based on no-one saying it in the thread.
I'd assumed that the best counter arguments would be used to counter the blog post first, and as no-one had said 'what about helmets making things worse?' before we got on to 'it's rubbish because that's not even the photo of the right accident' that there was no case.
I appreciate that for some of you this is a debate you've had many times. That isn't true of all of us. Some of us are learning things. Because every day is a school day.
It's a shame no one pointed the blogger in the direction of research showing that helmets make things worse before they moved on to personal insults.
slowmotion
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The "paramedic" blogger didn't deserve that courtesy.
KneesUp
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Do you find that being rude to people you disagree with - rather than explaining why you hold a different view - is an effective way of winning them over?
Or do you just like being rude to people?
slowmotion
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I don't like being rude to people. Could you elaborate?
slowmotion
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"Ella" speaks to her fans....
All my blogs are BASED on real experiences and feelings, though I do use poetic license to protect the identity of my patients, their families and my colleagues. All names, ages, nationalities and locations have been changed as to uphold their anonymity. Please do not read a post and think that I am necessarily talking about an actual patient. I use my experiences to create a post to express how I felt at the time. It's my way of dealing with what I see."
I find a page of text boring to look at, so I add images. Sometimes they add humour, sometimes they help illustrate the point I am talking about. All posts are based on real events, though to protect identities I do change what I need to say no one can be identified. Rest assured though, I went to a child, hit by a large vehicle, who wasn't wearing a helmet, who received horrific, life threatening injuries. That is the truth. Believe what you will. I write intending to be as honest as possible within the guidelines I set myself.
All my blogs are BASED on real experiences and feelings, though I do use poetic license to protect the identity of my patients, their families and my colleagues. All names, ages, nationalities and locations have been changed as to uphold their anonymity. Please do not read a post and think that I am necessarily talking about an actual patient. I use my experiences to create a post to express how I felt at the time. It's my way of dealing with what I see."
I find a page of text boring to look at, so I add images. Sometimes they add humour, sometimes they help illustrate the point I am talking about. All posts are based on real events, though to protect identities I do change what I need to say no one can be identified. Rest assured though, I went to a child, hit by a large vehicle, who wasn't wearing a helmet, who received horrific, life threatening injuries. That is the truth. Believe what you will. I write intending to be as honest as possible within the guidelines I set myself.
snorri
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OK, it's time for the conspiracy theories.
I reckon "Ella" is a recumbent rider from Dagenham who was a spindrift fan in the past and having lost track of him years ago decided to write this elaborate blog in order to flush him out.
I reckon "Ella" is a recumbent rider from Dagenham who was a spindrift fan in the past and having lost track of him years ago decided to write this elaborate blog in order to flush him out.
steveindenmark
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At the end of the day it is only one guys opinion. He cannot say for certain if a helmet would or wouldnt prevent this injury. There is no point in arguing over helmets or high vis. It is all personal preference which is even more complicated by the fact that people like me wear them some days and not others.
I read somewhere that Chris Boardman wrote an article where helmets did not get on his top 10 safety lists and he is a big advocate of cycle safety.
I read somewhere that Chris Boardman wrote an article where helmets did not get on his top 10 safety lists and he is a big advocate of cycle safety.
However if we accept that helmets would be effective, we would prevent 300,000 head injuries if helmets were worn on stairs, and only 19,500 if cycle helmets worn
Which is the greater benefit to public health
Which is a more effective step in reducing head injuries?
Sods_Laur
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You could just complain to the LAS. They probably know who it is. Ella Shaw is obviously a pseudonym.
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