Helmets; The Paramedics View

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Sara_H

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And you can, can you?
The point is that medical professionals who treat injuries don't generally have anymore knowledge or expertise about cycle helmet efficacy than your average man on the street. I speak as someone who worked in the ICU of a major trauma centre for 15 years. Quite an expert in the management of serious head injuries, but my knowledge around cycle helmet efficacy comes from personal rather than professional interest.
 
Well, I've asked this person to say where and when they saw ten cyclists killed for a lack of a helmet, I look forward to my question appearing but I have a feeling it won't.
 

Davidc

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There are about 300,000 injuries per year as a result of falling down stairs, and about 19,500 to do with cycling.

Given that, at a converative guess, 95% of the population use stairs at least twice a day, whereas only 10% of adults cycle at least once per month, I'd suggest that the risk of injury per ride is significantly higher than the risk per go on the stairs. And when those injuries do happen I'd suggest they are more likely to be serious.
Let's just take 10% of the stairs figure then - that's 30,000 which is of course much less than 19,500. I'd suggest that falling down stairs is likely typically to be massively more serious than the usually minor injuries from the statistically very safe activity of cycling.

Going back to the OP, paramedics see the superficial effects of accidents involving heads*. The people who see the real damage are neurosurgeons, and the last time I saw anything from them they were of the view that helmets were at best useless.

What makes all cycle helmet discussions and opinions totally useless is the complete lack of any rigorous research. Statistical analysis, often quoted by @User does however show that there is no overall benefit or disbenefit from their use.

*I am fully aware that helmets do of course provide totally effective protection to the parts of the body most often damaged in cycling accidents, including eyes, hands, elbows, knees, spines and feet.
 

TheDoctor

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Is that what is being said?

It always seems to me that 'the helmet debate' is

"it's not been proved they do anything" vs "they definitely do do something"

Whereas I am more "I don't know, but the prima facie case is that one imagines that they can't do much harm and also might be of some benefit in, perhaps, some quite specific circumstances"

Given that I have but one head and it contains, well, all of me I suppose, I don't see how "it's not been proved they do anything" is so vociferously proclaimed as reason not to wear one.
FFS. No one is vociferously proclaiming that you shouldn't wear one.
I just get rather pissed off with the pro-helmet crew telling me I should wear one, and I'm an idiot if I don't.
You do what you like - I don't give a stuff either way.
 

I like Skol

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There are about 300,000 injuries per year as a result of falling down stairs, and about 19,500 to do with cycling.
Given that, at a converative guess, 95% of the population use stairs at least twice a day, whereas only 10% of adults cycle at least once per month, I'd suggest that the risk of injury per ride is significantly higher than the risk per go on the stairs. And when those injuries do happen I'd suggest they are more likely to be serious.
You do quite a bit of guessing and suggesting......
Given that I have but one head and it contains, well, all of me I suppose, I don't see how "it's not been proved they do anything" is so vociferously proclaimed as reason not to wear one.
Why don't you wear one permenantly then? After all, you have so much to lose!
 
Obviously to protect the identity of the patient, I would never disclose location details, dates, names etc. This did happen a fair while ago though. I've also never specified where I work. These RTCs are relatively common, most go unreported in the media.

Ella Shaw.

This person is lying about injured children, inventing dead cyclists and lifting photos of accidents from different continents.
 

slowmotion

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Given that I have but one head and it contains, well, all of me I suppose, I don't see how "it's not been proved they do anything" is so vociferously proclaimed as reason not to wear one.

I don't think anybody "vociferously" preaches against wearing a helmet. What grinds peoples' gears is being preached at, by either camp. I wear a helmet. I might as well have a two foot tall silver statue of St Christopher on my handlebars for all the use it might do, but I like wearing it. I don't get on a soap-box about it. Neither do the buff wearers. It's a non-issue.......and yes.....that "paramedic" site looks a bit dodgy.
 

Davidc

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Obviously to protect the identity of the patient, I would never disclose location details, dates, names etc. This did happen a fair while ago though. I've also never specified where I work. These RTCs are relatively common, most go unreported in the media.

Ella Shaw.

This person is lying about injured children, inventing dead cyclists and lifting photos of accidents from different continents.
Perfectly normal then.

What gets me annoyed and writing intemperate posts (I'm not apologising for them btw) is that helmet posts, lying blogs, etc. distract people from the real issue, which should be the need to eliminate the road behaviour which causes so many of the incients leading to injuries - and not just cyclist's injuries.
 
"One suggestion, please don't encourage people to shout at cyclists, they're trying to stay alive! This is dangerous, misguided advice.

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Ella Shaw7 October 2014 23:28
Wondered how long it would take for a cyclo-warrior to appear with clever uses of quotations. Well done."

Errr, they're her words. That's what she wrote. This woman's insane.
 

KneesUp

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l, she's using pictures of an unrelated fatality to bolster her grubby little campaign.

What makes what appears to be a genuine concern for people's safety "grubby"?

You might disagree with her opinions, but "grubby" is a bit strong isn't it? She seems well intentioned.
 
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