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ClichéGuevara
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Again, she's right about listening to that actual scientists, unfortunately, she's guilty of not doing that on some key issues and only operates from a script, as her lack of understanding was flagged up on the few debates she got engaged in.
As for the message, I don't get mine from the media, I get it from people actually involved, and she has created issues that didn't need making, and to an extent knocked the cause back in certain areas, and I don't think she's done her health much good on the way there.
She was selected for a purpose, which was more political than environmental.
The total defence of her that some people seem to offer, as if to claim some moral highground, is counter-productive in many ways
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matticus
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Doesn't that just emphasise that they should be DISCUSSING STUFF WITH THE SCIENTISTS! You are only going to get so much out of a 17year-old girl.
[And remind me - how much media coverage has any scientist gotten, compared to Greta? Were they really winning the war before she came along?? ]
ClichéGuevara
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You reckon none of this was in the media before her? Seriously? If a scientist is the right one to discuss it with, perhaps they'd have been better putting them on to the stage with her. Maybe the fact they weren't suggests that her message wasn't quite in line with the science, and was more in line with politics.
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matticus
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Seriously - it got a lot bigger with her help.
Do a straw poll of civilians you know; the only name they'll know on a similar level is Attenborough, and he's had about 40 years head-start on Greta!
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matticus
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One thing you're sherioushly overlooking is the PR impact of a 16-17year old pig-tailed girl saying this stuff. (in her 2nd language. etc ... etc ... )
Having all the facts at your fingertips isn't the only weapon you need to bring to the fight in 2020!
Having all the facts at your fingertips isn't the only weapon you need to bring to the fight in 2020!
winjim
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I don't know what his views are on autism. I'm just interested in why they make a difference to the jokes that were made. Her diagnosis was given as the reason for his apology so I have to assume that he thinks the joke would be fine when made about an allistic woman but not an autistic one. I don't know why that should be.
ETA: there are currently two openly autistic posters active on this thread, maybe more, I don't know everybody's neurotype, so if somebody does have views on autism which might be misguided or whatever then now might be a good chance for a chat about them.
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ClichéGuevara
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If only that attention didn't come with people picking up the wrong message, or looking at her words in more detail, and using the flaws to highlight what they feel are errors in the science. Perhaps then, those involved could have focused on sustainable solutions, rather than having to spend time diplomatically rephrasing her message in to something more representative of the science.
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matticus
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Perhaps we could train up one of those pigs flying over your head?
You're just asking for a charismatic, on-message, media-trained, Climate Science MSc, 16-year-old. Or do you have one waiting in the wings?
I'll just be grateful for the one we have, doing what she can, not carping on internet message-boards ...
You're just asking for a charismatic, on-message, media-trained, Climate Science MSc, 16-year-old. Or do you have one waiting in the wings?
I'll just be grateful for the one we have, doing what she can, not carping on internet message-boards ...
ClichéGuevara
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There are plenty of youngsters that get up on the stage for lots of things, including young politicians. There are also others that get pretty close to your criteria for environmental issues too. What she had, was the backing of a marketing team, and protection from being challenged on what she said.
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matticus
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That appears to be restating the same query. (Of course I don't know the poster's views on autism, I just read his comment and subsequent apology/retraction.) In your view is it ever acceptable to treat an allistic person differently to an autistic?
winjim
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Yes.
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matticus
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And is there any overlap with those situations and the one under discussion??
(Just wondering if the Peace Treaty we all desperately want to see signed here actually exists :P )
(Just wondering if the Peace Treaty we all desperately want to see signed here actually exists :P )
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I'd never heard of her, thought when I saw the title "Greta Garbot, surely she's not still going?"
Yes, obviously she should at least have tried to get a PhD before trying to engage people in environmental awareness. It's clear that as the lead scientist advocating that we address climate change that she really hasn't put the hours in.
Oh - hang on - NEWS JUST IN - Greta Thunberg is *not* a scientist. Apparently she is just a 17 (now 18) year old girl who thinks we should take climate science seriously.
In other news, you do seem to have missed interviews with Greta's parents where they state the absolute reverse of your own opinion about their parenting:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50901789
Looking forward to the supporting evidence of your qualifications as a Mental Health Professional.
