Go on, admit, who is both a 4x4 owner and a cyclist ?

[jonny jeez]

Really? All the cyclists I know behave really well. Funnily enough we all find that whenever cycling is mentioned the anti-cycling invective is instant and prolonged, as well as monotonously repetitive. I think your opinion is wildly unrealistic.

The feeling is mutual

 

[jonny jeez]

Here's the rub. Drivers don't hate cyclists for the law breaking. That's just a justification for their ire which is easier to admit than their entitled and selfish attitude.

If every cyclist followed every law we'd still be the people slowing them down on their roads. They'll even make up laws we're breaking to continue to justify it (must use cycle lane, must ride single file etc etc)

Your point is why I disagree with segregation.

Integration, along with sustained re-education on both parts is the key to success

 

[Markymark]

Your point is why I disagree with segregation.

Integration, along with sustained re-education on both parts is the key to success

We will always be breaking laws, if not real ones then made up ones.

 

[gavgav]

Not in my experience. This took three of us plus luggage on a tour to Scotland in reasonable comfort:
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Edit: on the minus side it wouldn't take a bike in the back due to the way the seat folds.

The only slight issue we had was every bend we went round I had to hold the luggage inside to prevent it burying me in the back seat

 

[Rickshaw Phil]

The only slight issue we had was every bend we went round I had to hold the luggage inside to prevent it burying me in the back seat

A minor technicality.

 

[jonny jeez]

We will always be breaking laws, if not real ones then made up ones.

I really don't think so.

Sure, right now that feels very true but just look at how social engineering can work...seatbelts, drink driving, smoking all totally acceptable behaviours a generation or two ago.

I hope...and as I've said before, hope is a good word, that in generations to come the UK will have lost much of the conflict that exists between road users and as education continues, those "rules" that you mention, will start to become socially unacceptable.

The other option is to just give in, accept it, become entrenched, fill ourselves with thoughts of conflict and begin to share the hate.

 

[jonny jeez]

There are more options than just hoping or hating. We could just get on with our lives and stop going on and on about tribes and giving each other a bad name.

So...just ignore it then?

 

[Venod]

Could be of interest for 4x4 enthusiasts.

http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/dy4kvn/james-mays-cars-of-the-people--series-2---episode-2

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

I watched it, whilst not liking the 'pimp-mobile' L405 (the present shape Rangie), I do know how good it is

I'd very happily settle for the (Bahama Gold) 1972 model he was driving, not this one, but very similar
And, yes, that wheel-travel was one of the reasons it was so good

 

[Venod]

First time I have heard the Aussie comment

" If you want to go out in bush take a Landrover if you want to come back take a Landcruiser"

Made me smile.

 

[Drago]

A CSK edition Series I Range Rooney for me please.

 

[Richard A Thackeray]

A CSK edition Series I Range Rooney for me please.

A nice one would suit me too!!

Huddersfield Land Rover Centre had a nice one in, a while ago
http://www.landrovercentre.com/listings/h422jlc/

This '25th' would be nice too, even better (to me) as a manual-box, with a Tdi
http://www.landrovercentre.com/listings/frj-1d-range-rover-classic-25th-anniversary-limited-edition/

My old 90CSW-V8 was good, but not this good
I bought mine, at 13 years old, & 37,000miles
http://www.landrovercentre.com/listings/f869bkm/