Giro helmets - huge appreciation

[tigger]

I'm not suggesting you're doing this through malice or genuine intolerance - you seem to be quite new to the whole debate and apparently unaware that the decision is anything other than a "no-brainer", but I hope you're now aware that some people have spent an awful lot of time and effort looking into the subject, and get understandably annoyed when someone comes along to tell them they're ignoramuses on the strength merely of "common sense" and one single anecdote. It feels a lot like being preached at by someone who's recently Found God

I can see that Dan, the trouble is it just gets pointless and people are so fixed in their views that they argue black is white. I can understand that there times when helmets won't help, I can understand there specific times when they may be a hinderance. In balance it is my view they are a benefit overall.

Lets focus on experiences. Case by case basis. Now look genuinely at my individual case. There is absolutely no question in my mind that in my specific accident the helmet did a great job. I've given very good evidence to demonstrate this and yet people still refuse to see it. I have no agenda other than sharing a nasty experience and asking people to stay safe. Now if I am wrong, then balance it with other real experience. Lets not hide behind limit science, blind faith and questionable numbers.

We all need to ask more questions

 

[david k]

trying to back track now

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I can see that Dan, the trouble is it just gets pointless and people are so fixed in their views that they argue black is white. I can understand that there times when helmets won't help, I can understand there specific times when they may be a hinderance. In balance it is my view they are a benefit overall.

Lets focus on experiences. Case by case basis. Now look genuinely at my individual case. There is absolutely no question in my mind that in my specific accident the helmet did a great job. I've given very good evidence to demonstrate this and yet people still refuse to see it. I have no agenda other than sharing a nasty experience and asking people to stay safe. Now if I am wrong, then balance it with other real experience. Lets not hide behind limit science, blind faith and questionable numbers.

We all need to ask more questions

+1

 

[tigger]

David has already called me a liar. If he's unhappy with the debate being personalised, he shouldn't make it personal

So you are taking this personally!?

 

[david k]

I can see that Dan, the trouble is it just gets pointless and people are so fixed in their views that they argue black is white. I can understand that there times when helmets won't help, I can understand there specific times when they may be a hinderance. In balance it is my view they are a benefit overall.

Lets focus on experiences. Case by case basis. Now look genuinely at my individual case. There is absolutely no question in my mind that in my specific accident the helmet did a great job. I've given very good evidence to demonstrate this and yet people still refuse to see it. I have no agenda other than sharing a nasty experience and asking people to stay safe. Now if I am wrong, then balance it with other real experience. Lets not hide behind limit science, blind faith and questionable numbers.

We all need to ask more questions

Maybe they believe if they give credit to the helmet reducing your injuries they somehow are pro helmet compulsion?

 

[tigger]

Maybe they believe if they give credit to the helmet reducing your injuries they somehow are pro helmet compulsion?

Absolutely! I can understand people not wanting helmets made compulsory. But to refuse to see and benefits whatsoever and irrationally argue against them at all times is totally absurd.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Absolutely! I can understand people not wanting helmets made compulsory. But to refuse to see and benefits whatsoever and irrationally argue against them at all times is totally absurd.

It does come across as a very teenage attitude doesn't it. It;s my life and I can do what I like, why should I listen to you, you're not the boss of me, ad nauseum.

 

[Dan B]

I don't see any words to the effect of "David said" anywhere in that. Do you?

My post was in response to his post which said "When we make an informed decision to wear one the same courtesy is not afforded to helmet wearers" - note the phrases "we" and "helmet wearers", he is talking about a group of which he is a member, not about him alone. It's not just about his personal viewpoint, it's a generalisation to other people who wear helmets as well. It's a public thread. If he wants to talk about the treatment of helmet wearers in general, he should expect that others may want to talk about the behaviour of helmet wearers[*] in general as well

[*] although again, I have no problems with people who want to wear helmets, just with people who think they should get to decide whether I do.

 

[Angelfishsolo]

I don't see any words to the effect of "David said" anywhere in that. Do you?

My post was in response to his post which said "When we make an informed decision to wear one the same courtesy is not afforded to helmet wearers" - note the phrases "we" and "helmet wearers", he is talking about a group of which he is a member, not about him alone. It's not just about his personal viewpoint, it's a generalisation to other people who wear helmets as well. It's a public thread. If he wants to talk about the treatment of helmet wearers in general, he should expect that others may want to talk about the behaviour of helmet wearers[*] in general as well

[*] although again, I have no problems with people who want to wear helmets, just with people who think they should get to decide whether I do.

Hence my use of the word apparently!

 

[david k]

keep digging

 

[david k]

"You must have banged your head"


Therefore directed at me

 

[david k]

put your shovel down

 

[tigger]

It does come across as a very teenage attitude doesn't it. It;s my life and I can do what I like, why should I listen to you, you're not the boss of me, ad nauseum.

Strangely enough I didn't want to wear a helmet when I started cycling. For one, compared to a motorbike helmet, they look like they won't offer much protection at all. Secondly, they make you look a total tool - at least I thought I looked like the Stig in a motorbike lid. So it was only after a few months when I started to wear one.

The moment of clarity for me came when I clocked 50mph on a decent near me for the first time. Jesus thats quick and one small bump and I'm in trouble I thought. I also used to do kite buggy racing and we wore full face motor cross helmets at similar speeds yet we were on controlled beaches covered in sand. I still thought an over priced piece of polystyrene wouldn't help but bought one anyway. Slowly I started to think I didn't look such a weapon and then I even started to buy lycra etc!!! So slowly I turned from a rebellious youth to a conformist cyclist.

 

[mickle]

I can see that Dan, the trouble is it just gets pointless and people are so fixed in their views that they argue black is white. I can understand that there times when helmets won't help, I can understand there specific times when they may be a hinderance. In balance it is my view they are a benefit overall.

Lets focus on experiences. Case by case basis. Now look genuinely at my individual case. There is absolutely no question in my mind that in my specific accident the helmet did a great job. I've given very good evidence to demonstrate this and yet people still refuse to see it. I have no agenda other than sharing a nasty experience and asking people to stay safe. Now if I am wrong, then balance it with other real experience. Lets not hide behind limit science, blind faith and questionable numbers.

We all need to ask more questions

I have a had a couple of 'accidents' where - had I been wearing a helmet I might have said that the helmet saved my life - these were proper heavy duty collisions with vehicles, one where I went backwards head first through a windscreen and one where I face-planted at about thirty mph into a junction.

I am still alive - evidently - and I haven't lost my ability to walk, shag, eat and breathe.

You smashed your helmet. It may or may not have reduced your injuries.

Sellotape an egg onto your head and walk gently in to a wall. The egg has smashed has it not? In doing so did it protect you? We cannot know because there have been no comparative tests.

But you have concluded that your helmet saved your life. Unless you do the crash again without a helmet - and die - you cannot say that it saved your life any more than the aforementioned egg did.

There is no evidence that helmets either save lives or protect from injury. In spite of what seems like common sense.

There is no evidence.

 

[david k]

is natural with getting older or maturing i think.