Giro helmets - huge appreciation

[mickle]

youve made your informed decision which is not to wear one, this is respected as an informed decision by those who dont value helmets. When we make an informed decision to wear one the same courtesy is not afforded to helmet wearers, hence it is selective when it suits, there in lies the issue of the bloody minded

Ah so. Helmet wearers as persecuted minority now.

 

[david k]

The two points quoted above illustrate where the problem lies.

I have made an informed decision. You are not respecting my informed decision because you nevertheless insist that wearing one is beneficial for me. You are wrong. Based on my experience, which is at least as valid as yours, you are very wrong. I have not told you that you should stop wearing a helmet, now kindly stop telling me, or anyone else who has made a similar informed decision, that we should. Then we'll all get along much better.

Sam

didnt say you should, said i think its a benefit for me so stands to reason i think it would be a benefit for you. if i didnt think it was a benefit for you i wouldnt think its a benefit for me, which i do, so cannot help think the same for others

get along fine, dont know why my views on wearing helmets should affect how we get on, i dont ask people their views on helmet wearing when i meet them, i dont see any reason for my views to affect how we get on. if you dont want to get along with me because i wish to wear a helmet then fine, shame really

 

[Dan B]

youve made your informed decision which is not to wear one, this is respected as an informed decision by those who dont value helmets. When we make an informed decision to wear one the same courtesy is not afforded to helmet wearers, hence it is selective when it suits, there in lies the issue of the bloody minded

In what sense is "PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet" or "I can't believe people are taking an anti helmet slant here!!|??? You must have banged your head in a past cat accident or something!" in any way respecting the informed decision of people who have chosen not to wear one?

 

[Red Light]

why do you get so angry? No lies here, your once again getting so frustrated that you cannot convince me of your views that you resort to abuse

Full of lies. Show me where I have told you its anything other than your own personal choice what you wear on your head. You keep claiming that people want to ban you from wearing a helmet and that people are anti-helmet. Prove that is not a lie by producing one post here that said it was anything other than your free choice what you wear on your head or that wanted to ban helmets.

if you dont want to wear a helmet dont, i do and i dont need hard evidence for that. i believe it is of benefit, i dont need hard evidence for that, i believe if you wear a helmet it will be beneficial for you, i dont need hard evidence for that, shame you do need hard evidence before you can have an opinion

There you go again.

 

[david k]

In what sense is "PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet" or "I can't believe people are taking an anti helmet slant here!!|??? You must have banged your head in a past cat accident or something!" in any way respecting the informed decision of people who have chosen not to wear one?

morning dan

 

[david k]

Full of lies. Show me where I have told you its anything other than your own personal choice what you wear on your head. You keep claiming that people want to ban you from wearing a helmet and that people are anti-helmet. Prove that is not a lie by producing one post here that said it was anything other than your free choice what you wear on your head or that wanted to ban helmets.



There you go again.

the contradiction is humorous

 

[Ravenbait]

didnt say you should, said i think its a benefit for me so stands to reason i think it would be a benefit for you. if i didnt think it was a benefit for you i wouldnt think its a benefit for me, which i do, so cannot help think the same for others

There are many things in this world that are beneficial for some and not others.

Nappies are beneficial for babies. Does that make them beneficial for everyone?

A gluten-free diet is beneficial for some. Does that mean we should recommend it to everyone?

I would not dream of telling someone else that they should or should not do based on what I find best for me, unless I was specifically asked for a recommendation.

There is a world of difference between "I find wearing a helmet to be a good thing" and "Helmets are a good thing and everyone should wear one." This thread arose because of a statment of the latter variety. If it had been the former, a mere kit recommendation, no one would have batted an eyelid. Instead, we have umpteen posts arguing about whether helmets are a de facto benefit or not.

They might be, to some people, in some circumstances. But, significantly, they are also a disbenefit to some people in some circumstances. Which risk is more relevant is for the individual to decide, but no statement that says "helmets are 100% GRRRREAT" should ever go unchallenged, because it's not true.

Sam

 

[david k]

There are many things in this world that are beneficial for some and not others.

Nappies are beneficial for babies. Does that make them beneficial for everyone?

A gluten-free diet is beneficial for some. Does that mean we should recommend it to everyone?

I would not dream of telling someone else that they should or should not do based on what I find best for me, unless I was specifically asked for a recommendation.

There is a world of difference between "I find wearing a helmet to be a good thing" and "Helmets are a good thing and everyone should wear one." This thread arose because of a statment of the latter variety. If it had been the former, a mere kit recommendation, no one would have batted an eyelid. Instead, we have umpteen posts arguing about whether helmets are a de facto benefit or not.

They might be, to some people, in some circumstances. But, significantly, they are also a disbenefit to some people in some circumstances. Which risk is more relevant is for the individual to decide, but no statement that says "helmets are 100% GRRRREAT" should ever go unchallenged, because it's not true.

Sam

eneficial it promotes an emotional responce, they also make many presumptions that i am therefore lecturing. when you pass somebody with a helmet on im sure you wouldnt dream of stopping them to have a go for lecturing

+1 good post, thing is when i say i think they are b

 

[Dan B]

morning dan

In what sense is "PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet" or "I can't believe people are taking an anti helmet slant here!!|??? You must have banged your head in a past cat accident or something!" in any way respecting the informed decision of people who have chosen not to wear one?

 

[david k]

In what sense is "PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet" or "I can't believe people are taking an anti helmet slant here!!|??? You must have banged your head in a past cat accident or something!" in any way respecting the informed decision of people who have chosen not to wear one?

never ever said PLEASE PLEASE, difficult to reply to a lie

 

[Ravenbait]

PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet. I know some people are sceptical - myself included before - but I am certain that without a good helmet I would at best had serious concussion and at worst who knows. This was an accident in an instant. I don't know what happened to the cat. The crazy thing is whilst I was lying in a mess on the road 2 cars passed without stopping! Luckily some good people stopped and called an ambulance shortyly afterwards.

Anyway, take care all and please always wear a good well fitting lid

Tim

never ever said PLEASE PLEASE, difficult to reply to a lie

Tigger did in the OP. See above.

Sam

 

[Angelfishsolo]

In what sense is "PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet" or "I can't believe people are taking an anti helmet slant here!!|??? You must have banged your head in a past cat accident or something!" in any way respecting the informed decision of people who have chosen not to wear one?

It was tigger the OP who said Please, Please.

 

[tigger]

In what sense is "PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet" or "I can't believe people are taking an anti helmet slant here!!|??? You must have banged your head in a past cat accident or something!" in any way respecting the informed decision of people who have chosen not to wear one?

Ermm... because the first statement was an innocent comment made after a nasty accident, asking people to keep safe whilst recommending a product which the user genuinely felt had benefitted them. The author expressed in the same statement that thery had previously been sceptical about helmets. The author has later said this was niave, givben the veciforous response.

The second comment seems fair considering they merely intended to share a positive view of a product and instead their innocent thread was turned into a forum for helmet dissenters.

The third was a little tongue in cheek - its called humour, and sadly this is difficult to detect on forums especially when people are het up with their own agenda.

 

[Dan B]

It was tigger the OP who said Please, Please.

Yes, absolutely. And he is for or against the wearing of helmets?

 

[Angelfishsolo]

Yes, absolutely. And he is for or against the wearing of helmets?

Based on his personal experience he is for the wearing of helmets. I was wondering why you were crediting David K with the post.