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Angelfishsolo
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Trouble is mate you don't have piles of statistical data to back up your argument simply experience. I know one thing I would rather be taught to flight by a trained instructor with years of experience than a statistician who has studied probable outcome of fights.
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It certainly read that way. Or could you not find anything in David K's post to back up your rant so instead you quoted from another source to have a dig?
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We seemed to have moved on since I posted this... took me an age to type one handed and take photos!!!
So back on track, this was in response to an assertion that no damage on the herlmet means no damage on the head would have occurred
So back on track, this was in response to an assertion that no damage on the herlmet means no damage on the head would have occurred
OK. So you were saying earlier that if a helmet is cracked it can't be doing its job. Now you seem to be saying that if a helmet shows limited damage, it still isn't doing a useful job as a helmetless head would also have experienced the same level of minor damage? So regardless of the fact that helmets and heads are made up of different materials you are saying there must be a linear relationship with regard to resulting damage from the same impact?
So using the same scientific principle, I am reposting the picture of my injured hip to you my learned friend. This hip was not in direct contact with the road but was in fact covered by cycling bib shorts. As you can see, the bruising extends to an area of size approximate to a medium sized plate. It is very swollen and sore. However, the shorts themselves only have a small abrasion and tear approximately the size of a 50 pence piece. You could say the shorts were hardly damaged at all. Indeed, you could say the level of damage to my shorts is similar to that of my helmet, yet my head has no damage whatsover. My hip is a mess and gives me great pain.
This is a real mystery to me, given the clear scientifically proven fact you have established. Can you shed some light on this?
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I suppose the real trouble is internet forums!!! Clearly my own experience counts for nothing...
Angelfishsolo
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One might argue that the shorts enhanced the injury. Statistically people who cycle with no clothing on the bottom half of their body are less likely to have crashes (I say nothing about spending time in jail however
)Well, honestly, my guess would be "for". If I thought you were against the wearing of helmets I wouldn't be using your comments as an example of how pro-helmet people fail to respect the opinions of those who choose not to wear one, now would I?
I'm not suggesting you're doing this through malice or genuine intolerance - you seem to be quite new to the whole debate and apparently unaware that the decision is anything other than a "no-brainer", but I hope you're now aware that some people have spent an awful lot of time and effort looking into the subject, and get understandably annoyed when someone comes along to tell them they're ignoramuses on the strength merely of "common sense" and one single anecdote. It feels a lot like being preached at by someone who's recently Found God
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You could have got yourself out of the hole, but. Your statement actually reads
"I didn't make it personal and aim it at David". "But I'll still end this excuse by getting person about David!"
Angelfishsolo
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Of course it doesn't mate. You can not offer others advice unless you can back it up with facts. Facts can not be personal experience but rather must be from a published paper or papers (as long as said papers are not believed to be discredited). They you can have an opinion you can offer to others.
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The same logic as Dan uses could be applied to the other side of the argument
This definitely comes across as anti helmet, yet after fiercly fighting this point of view you say you are not anti helmet?
- Reporting that wearing helmets results in more accidents
- Continued discrediting the safety standard of cycle helmets
- Requesting hard evidence that helmet wearing is beneficial
- Continual reference to contradictory data/journals
- and so on
This definitely comes across as anti helmet, yet after fiercly fighting this point of view you say you are not anti helmet?
David has already called me a liar. If he's unhappy with the debate being personalised, he shouldn't make it personal
Angelfishsolo
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He called you a liar when you apparently credited a post made by the OP to him.
You can show me where I said that?
Angelfishsolo
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Dan B, on 29 July 2011 - 12:46:58, said:In what sense is "PLEASE PLEASE, always wear a helmet" or "I can't believe people are taking an anti helmet slant here!!|??? You must have banged your head in a past cat accident or something!" in any way respecting the informed decision of people who have chosen not to wear one?
never ever said PLEASE PLEASE, difficult to reply to a lie
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