being a relative newb - but how else would you be able to find that out??
Full fit and performance testing
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400bhp
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Well, yes a one off test is pretty pointless in isolation.
Need a series of tests.
Then it becomes expensive.
Rob3rt
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It would be no use to you unless you planned on periodic testing (££) or buying a power meter (££££).
Ask yourself - what will you do with the information?
If you can use it meaningfully, how about borrowing a PM from a clubmate.
Even a series of tests is pointless unless you are structuring your training to use the information. Which is not all that easy without a PM. So then it's just an expensive curiosity satisfaction.
vickster
Legendary Member
I know little, but if it is around improving as a cyclist, then maybe it's better to pay for one-one or even group coaching, join a club and go on their coaching evenings etc? I know some clubs offer that to women for example
If health / bio-mechanics related, then that's different - maybe a physio led fit and the coaching is needed? Is there actually an orthopaedic issue with the foot (shown by Xray, scan, medical examination, what not) or is only it a shoe/cleat fit/position issue?
That website seems to offer none of this specifically? You had the retul fit already? Find out if there is something else wrong with the foot, pronation issues or similar and then get a shoe/orthotic fit etc
Personally, I am not sure that throwing money at 'experts' will make you a better cyclist unless a pro. Just enjoy it, get to optimum weight etc
If health / bio-mechanics related, then that's different - maybe a physio led fit and the coaching is needed? Is there actually an orthopaedic issue with the foot (shown by Xray, scan, medical examination, what not) or is only it a shoe/cleat fit/position issue?
That website seems to offer none of this specifically? You had the retul fit already? Find out if there is something else wrong with the foot, pronation issues or similar and then get a shoe/orthotic fit etc
Personally, I am not sure that throwing money at 'experts' will make you a better cyclist unless a pro. Just enjoy it, get to optimum weight etc
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There's two separate things here. One is @jowwy 's desire to sort his shoe/cleat issue out. I think that it's perfectly justified to seek out a biomechanical expert to do that, and from what he posted later I think these guys may be able to help him.
Unfortunately, his first link landed on a page that showed an outfit offering to measure your FTP for what seems like an outrageous amount of money to me, particularly given that it's not a useful metric to anyone who is not using a PM to quantify their training.
The thought that a 'trainer' will use the FTP to 'somehow' devise a training plan for a recreational cyclist with no competitive ambitions who is not using a PM to inform their training doesn't begin to make sense.
I suspect that there are other coaching services these guys can provide, and the FTP testing thing is perhaps driven by some MAMIL need to compare willy sizes, but for jowwy's purposes I would suggest it would be a waste of money. The shoe/cleat thing might be worthwhile.
Unfortunately, his first link landed on a page that showed an outfit offering to measure your FTP for what seems like an outrageous amount of money to me, particularly given that it's not a useful metric to anyone who is not using a PM to quantify their training.
The thought that a 'trainer' will use the FTP to 'somehow' devise a training plan for a recreational cyclist with no competitive ambitions who is not using a PM to inform their training doesn't begin to make sense.
I suspect that there are other coaching services these guys can provide, and the FTP testing thing is perhaps driven by some MAMIL need to compare willy sizes, but for jowwy's purposes I would suggest it would be a waste of money. The shoe/cleat thing might be worthwhile.
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it's the same guys vamp, i just cicked and posted the link while reading the FTP page
Yeah I know, but I think a lot of the responses were fired up by that side of their specialty, not the shoe/cleat fit. Mine was anyway.
ah ok
vickster
Legendary Member
I missed all that, just looked at all the stuff on the home page...I am meant to be working 
Do you only ever get foot pain when clipped in on the bike? If not, then my comment around proper medical attention still stands I think. Or what are the professional (medical) qualifications of the fitters? For £75 cleat fitting, I'd be expecting a high level of expertise
Do you only ever get foot pain when clipped in on the bike? If not, then my comment around proper medical attention still stands I think. Or what are the professional (medical) qualifications of the fitters? For £75 cleat fitting, I'd be expecting a high level of expertise
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I missed all that, just looked at all the stuff on the home page...I am meant to be working
Do you only ever get foot pain when clipped in on the bike? If not, then my comment around proper medical attention still stands I think. Or what are the professional (medical) qualifications of the fitters? For £75 cleat fitting, I'd be expecting a high level of expertise
in answer to your first question - yes i only get pain when clipped in
in answer to the 2nd question - see below ( both analysts are called andy)
both guys work for spire hospital and As well as bike fitting,
Andy lectures at Cardiff Metropolitan University in Sport Science and Performance disciplines, and he coaches multisport athletes competing in super-sprint to Ironman races
Andy has been working as a physiotherapist for over 10 years. He has become highly specialised in musculoskeletal injury and performance development and has a particular clinical interest in lower limb biomechanics and the mechanics of cycling and cycling injury. He has trained academically to a Masters level and had undertaken specific research into the effects of shoe-pedal interface on cycling lower limb mechanics.
Dusty Bin
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could you not just loosen your shoe straps a little?
