Froome and Wiggins TUEs

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Maybe a bit strong.
I think not. You develop a certain sense for these things as you get older.

If someone acts bent they very probably are.

Especially if it would be so easy to prove that they are not.

I have little time for priesthoods, whether they wrap themselves in religion and the church or cycling.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
People like Sky's former doctor and blood doping specialist Geert Leinders you mean, why would Sky employ someone like that:whistle:



Well I'm grateful to Russian hackers that brought this all to light, thank you Fancy Bears. Whole thing stinks.

@jowwy you're sounding just like the Lance apologists with their 'never failed a test' line. True though that was, he was proven to be behind the biggest sporting fraud in history, and with cyclings history, Sky's continued declarations of being a clean team, and the fact Sky have won the last umpteen TDF's in a row, the winner of which has recently failed a test. So errr, yeah we're totally entitled to a healthy dose of scepticism.

Also you seem to be implying that UKAD have given Sky a free pass, that is very clearly not being said. Have you read the report? The very same Nicole Sapstead you quote says in the report that "our investigation was hampered by a lack accurate medical records being available to British Cycling. This is a serious concern as part of the conditions to receive public funding from UK Sport and other Home Country Sports Councils, all sports governing bodies must comply with the UK National Anti-doping Policy. This is complicated further by the crossover between British Cycling and Team Sky." UKAD went further and said ."..the lack of records for the package sent to Team Sky in 2011 was not an isolated example and was a result of the failure of BC's systems". It went on...."There was no process to record what pharmaceutical products and medical supplies were stored by BC at the Manchester velodrome and elsewhere, and what was checked in and out of the medical room on site...the medical room was chaotic and disorganised, there was no apparent filing system and papers were piled up in cupboards and filing cabinets".

We are not talking about them missing one or two entries to minor riders, we're talking about them administering drugs to their top riders, over the course of years, and having none of this recorded. Why would they do this? hmmmm. It is frankly a joke that Brailsford confidently claims they are following the highest ethical standards in cycling, yet they don't have access to records to show what treatments the doctors are prescribing to the riders??? Seriously?

Whatever the reason/excuse, that is not acceptable and is very dodgy behaviour, it does'nt just breach Sky's own policy, but that of the General Medical Council and the Medicines and Healthcare Products Usery Agency. If your own GP acted like this they'd have the book thrown at them. UKAD are asking the right questions, but the whole Jiffy bag shambles just shows Sky have lost or have no record of the info that answers the key questions being asked, how convenient.....

As @Dogtrousers said a few pages back Brailsford is being hoisted by his own petard as the Sky PR line keeps being shown to differ drastically from reality and its simply not plausible anymore. For a team that prides itself on attention to detail and leaving no stone un-turned, its simply not believable that they could be so shambolic.

It also seems blindingly obvious the TUE's are being abused, and for that the UCI must take most of the responsibility, have they come out and said the system is getting reviewed?. In 2013 there were 636 approved TUE's, its more than tripled in 3 years and in 2016 there was 2175, that is a pretty alarming rise, and we're supposed to believe cycling is cleaner now than ever.......

And as for the un-named source, it seems it can't be Sutton as he is named in the report, but what about Jess Varnish? She's had plenty to say to criticise Sky/BC.
So after you copied and pasted all that......there is still no evidence of wrong doing?

Its easy to call people "apologists" just because they dont agree to your opinion.......the same as remoaners calling brexiters young, thick and stupid.

Until some one prints or provides cast iron proof of cheating, then im afraid there is no cheating to to discuss........just more conspiracey and alegedlies
 

Slick

Guru
I think not. You develop a certain sense for these things as you get older.

If someone acts bent they very probably are.

Especially if it would be so easy to prove that they are not.

I have little time for priesthoods, whether they wrap themselves in religion and the church or cycling.
Fair enough, but it's still a bit strong.
 
So after you copied and pasted all that......there is still no evidence of wrong doing?

Its easy to call people "apologists" just because they dont agree to your opinion.......the same as remoaners calling brexiters young, thick and stupid.

Until some one prints or provides cast iron proof of cheating, then im afraid there is no cheating to to discuss........just more conspiracey and alegedlies
Close the thread. If only to sort out the awful spelling...
 

booze and cake

probably out cycling
^_^
So after you copied and pasted all that......there is still no evidence of wrong doing?

Its easy to call people "apologists" just because they dont agree to your opinion.......the same as remoaners calling brexiters young, thick and stupid.

Until some one prints or provides cast iron proof of cheating, then im afraid there is no cheating to to discuss........just more conspiracey and alegedlies

LOL, err broken record, that was my point, its not always the case of needing a smoking gun. Never failed a test is not proof of innocence, see Lance and how that defence worked out. Remember Sky have failed a test and have yet to adequately explain it. They are now trying to find loopholes and arguments to weasel out of it, they are going to have to try harder than Bertie's 'it was in the steak'. There's no doubt going to be another long report and lots of legal fees involved in that one.

You were reposting that UKAD tweet like it exonerated Sky, I simply copied the bits in the report that showed they said nothing of the sort.

Have you read the report? There is now a catalogue of Sky lies, and having read all of the report, on balance I think there is plenty of questions raised that have not been adequately answered, to such an extent it brings their whole operation into question. If you have read it and think there is nothing in there of concern I find that surprising, do you think Sky have been transparent and helpful during this report? Care to show what you think they have done to explain it satisfactorily?

But hey that's your opinion, but just from this thread I think you'll have to acknowledge that your opinion is not the majority one, the press coverage is not back pages, but front, this is a big deal. You may be convinced by Sky's arguments, but many of us are not, get over it.

I guess we'll all have to wait and see how this pans out, all I can see for certain is that the lawyers will be the winners and pro cycling is the loser. Oh and I reckon there will be lots of cheap Sky kit on ebay this summer^_^
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
Wiggins received 3 x 40mg injections of triamcinolone, Venus Williams received 5 x 60mg injections. How's YOUR career/reputation going Venus?
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
^_^

LOL, err broken record, that was my point, its not always the case of needing a smoking gun. Never failed a test is not proof of innocence, see Lance and how that defence worked out. Remember Sky have failed a test and have yet to adequately explain it. They are now trying to find loopholes and arguments to weasel out of it, they are going to have to try harder than Bertie's 'it was in the steak'. There's no doubt going to be another long report and lots of legal fees involved in that one.

You were reposting that UKAD tweet like it exonerated Sky, I simply copied the bits in the report that showed they said nothing of the sort.

Have you read the report? There is now a catalogue of Sky lies, and having read all of the report, on balance I think there is plenty of questions raised that have not been adequately answered, to such an extent it brings their whole operation into question. If you have read it and think there is nothing in there of concern I find that surprising, do you think Sky have been transparent and helpful during this report? Care to show what you think they have done to explain it satisfactorily?

But hey that's your opinion, but just from this thread I think you'll have to acknowledge that your opinion is not the majority one, the press coverage is not back pages, but front, this is a big deal. You may be convinced by Sky's arguments, but many of us are not, get over it.

I guess we'll all have to wait and see how this pans out, all I can see for certain is that the lawyers will be the winners and pro cycling is the loser. Oh and I reckon there will be lots of cheap Sky kit on ebay this summer^_^
So you think this post with about a dozen people condemning sky is the over arching opinion of the majority of people. Your deluded man, ive seen hundreds of tweets in defence of team sky, along with posts on instagram and facebook. This forum is a small minority of theorists who fall over themselves to condemn people for what is a small issue for most.

As for getting over it, i was over it a long time ago when UKAD stated there was no case to answer. For me that was the end of the matter. Then some jumped up MPS who themselves have been caught up in scandal after scandal within parliment and with the expenses scandal, thought it best to produce a report with no evidence condemning not just wiggo, team sky....but also mo farah, lord coe and a few others, for what exactly???? For no good reason other than to create another scandal to hide their own inadequancies.... (crap spelling maybe)
 

booze and cake

probably out cycling
hahahaha so you will ignore a 54 page report from experts in the field detailing substantial failings in cycling and athletics, but your critical appraisal extends to supportive tweets and posts on instagram and facebook....and I'm the deluded one, priceless.
 

jowwy

Can't spell, Can't Punctuate....Sue Me
hahahaha so you will ignore a 54 page report from experts in the field detailing substantial failings in cycling and athletics, but your critical appraisal extends to supportive tweets and posts on instagram and facebook....and I'm the deluded one, priceless.
That's not what I said, but well done in coming to that conclusion........i said posts in support of team sky and wiggins, compared to the minimal amount of negative people commenting here.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
On the subject of the report, while we've all been getting our knickers in a twist about Wiggo (Doping nobber/Oh no he isn't), possibly the most interesting point that no one is talking about is

"The Government should give serious consideration to criminalising the supply of drugs to sportspeople with intent to enhance performance rather than to mitigate ill-health, and in so doing defraud clean athletes they are competing against."
TMN to me. Thanks.
 

mjr

Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
hahahaha so you will ignore a 54 page report from experts in the field detailing substantial failings in cycling and athletics, but your critical appraisal extends to supportive tweets and posts on instagram and facebook....and I'm the deluded one, priceless.
Can you provide a link to the expert report, please? It would be interesting to compare it with the MPs' one.
 
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