FNRttC Friday Night Ride to the Coast - Brighton 14th October 2011

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mmmmartin

Random geezer
Codger, old, so not much good at handling tools, slow on bike, and slower off, WLTM a team of TECs. Team work no problem. Can show grace under pressure. Willing to work for no money. Knows s0d all about bikes but can bullsh!t til the cows come home. Available many Friday nights, near a full moon.
 

StuAff

Silencing his legs regularly
Location
Portsmouth
That's a good point - often wayfinders moving up from the back are likely to lend a hand like this but sometimes its worth reminding people.
I think the point is to keep learning. At the end of the day the ride went really well, particularly given the coldness and relatively high deflation incidents. Feedback here is about ongoing marginal gains in efficiency.
Apologies for the "At the end of the day" cliche, perhaps more apt would be "At the Madeira breakfast counter"...

We are Team Night Sky :smile:
 

hatler

Guru
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What's the "Big Brighton FNRttC 7 September 2012" all about ?
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
What's the "Big Brighton FNRttC 7 September 2012" all about ?
oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm probably going to take the running of the charity ride in-house and offer places to a number of charities - but nothing's decided quite yet.
 
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marks out of ten please

essentially the idea is this. Every ride has a slowest rider. Part of my job is to keep the slowest rider moving forward for as much of the time as possible. I'm normally quite good at making sure that happens, but I didn't do that on Friday night, mainly because I wasn't sure what was happening at the back, but also because I didn't decide early enough. So there were times when the slowest rider was waiting for the tail to catch up, which wasn't clever, because I was needlessly concerned about the ride being overstretched. Had I known what was happening at the back, and who was involved, then I'd have moved off earlier.

Equally, if I know what the problem is I can gauge whether the ride can take the delay - if someone calls me and says 'we've stopped to fix a light' I would normally say 'forget it - get them on the move to the left of someone with a good light, and we'll fix it when we have time'.


The number of times I've now seen that picture, and I've only just realised that the abomination of a bike we were fixing, as well as having tyres through to the inner tube, had a green front light!!!


Anyway, good job description. I'd also include a reference to liking wearing latex gloves. :thumbsup:

It's also handy if some of the helpers have easily removable bright front lights or head torches.
 
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User10571

Guest
I hope I'm not stating the painfully obvious here, but if TECs are un-acquainted with the route and it's last minute anomalies, therein lies the potential for issues, once the last of the ride has passed them whilst they're flexing tyre levers and CO2 cylinders, and the like.

Just saying, like...
 

StuAff

Silencing his legs regularly
Location
Portsmouth
About time I wrote up my own thoughts....

Friday night got off to a good start. As I was on a 2-10 duty at work, I was expecting to have to get a later train than usual and meet the peloton on Clapham Common. Fortunately, I was able to make my usual train and got to HPC in plenty of time, though there was the seemingly obligatory stop for no reason at all outside Waterloo. Even before my nomination as TEC, the (excellent) Revolution pump was called into action as the unfortunate Justin had need of it. A nice guy who clearly got into the spirit of the ride, hope we'll see him again. The first part of the ride proved exceedingly slow for us at the back (average was showing as 5 mph at Clapham) on account of all the incidents, though I for one warmed up quickly enough each time we were rolling. If I'd known it was going to be that cold I'd have brought more layers, but I was OK for warmth most of the time. Still very glad to get to the hut though (splendid job again by everyone there).

After srw helpfully chose the hut to have his puncture, I stuck with the tail for a while but took the opportunity to move forward (and more quickly)- thankfully the second half was much less eventful than the first, or so it seemed. The Ardingly stretch was as joyous rolling as ever, that climb into Lindfield as irritating as ever. I have somewhat mixed feelings on the changes to the run towards Ditchling. On the one hand, it was indeed prettier. But on the other hand, the turn out of the car park, unlike that from the greenhouses, had the unfortunate drawback of leading right into the first kick up- less chance to prepare for it. I'd put the bike into the inner ring already (though I didn't go as far as my fellow Campag 11 speed user- on the Bianchi Infinito, afraid I don't know her name- who was already in bottom gear before starting up and had decided she must have a 12-29 cassette because she wasn't going to make it). I was somewhat annoyed not to make it up without any walking. I was nearing the top when (possibly distracted by a passing car), I turned towards the verge and had to brake somewhat sharply, then (on account of being on a steep bit) had to walk to a flatter section to get going again. Unlike the young Hatler lad, who conquered it in some style. Well done, young man!! Not forgetting the much appreciated coffee from the Hatler clan, just the ticket (again).

Made it to the top at 7.40 or so, enjoyed the splendid-as-always view briefly, noted the relative lack of peeps milling about, and thought the race for breakfast was on. Well, I won it by default, I got down to the Madeira to meet Evey (who'd not long arrived herself) and see a notable absence of riders...for ten minutes or so. Usual splendid breakfast, followed by Evey's most excellent cake in honour of the birthday boy. Was lovely to see some of the people I hadn't talked to on the ride for one reason or another. Particularly nice to see Grace (and of course Martin too) back on a full ride.

At 10.45 or so, decided to make my way west. Progress was pleasingly rapid on account of favourable wind- early on my average was showing as 15 mph- though that dropped rather dramatically at Shoreham Harbour (the crossing was closed for 15 minutes or so as the lock was being used). The ride home was pretty uneventful apart from a near miss when a driver in Worthing decided to park along the seafront and cut right across my path. No harm done, and he did have the good grace to apologise. Back just before 2.45, 51 miles at an average of 13 mph (rolling 14.3).

Thanks to friends old and new for an absolute corker.

My top speed on Reigate Hill was a mere 34.8 mph, but then I am a beanpole on a soot bike :smile:
 

arallsopp

Post of The Year 2009 winner
Location
Bromley, Kent
I hope I'm not stating the painfully obvious here, but if TECs are un-acquainted with the route and it's last minute anomalies, therein lies the potential for issues, once the last of the ride has passed them whilst they're flexing tyre levers and CO2 cylinders, and the like.

Just saying, like...

We actually had a moment like that User10571. Having descended Reigate Hill, I stopped to fish my gloves out of the panniers, and so set off pretty much on the back of the ride. The massed TECs were just behind me, having stopped to fix another of those mechanicals that only springs up when the group moves on.

I stopped alongside a static User13710, who was waiting to retrieve an errant rear light from the tarmac. We set off together behind the group but ahead of the TECs, only to find a big crossroads with no marker. Having eyed up all directions, we saw tail lights disappearing to the left, so I sent her on in pursuit. I hung back to point the way, just incase the TECs diagnosed a bigger problem and sent someone unfamiliar up the ride to advise the waymarkers.

It didn't seem to be uncommon for friends to stop together when one had a mechanical. The TECs would be acting correctly if they moved a slow rider on whilst they fixed a problem with the other's bike. If there is no certainty of a marker on the route ahead, that solo rider might well end up lost.

Andy.
 

StuAff

Silencing his legs regularly
Location
Portsmouth
We actually had a moment like that User10571. Having descended Reigate Hill, I stopped to fish my gloves out of the panniers, and so set off pretty much on the back of the ride. The massed TECs were just behind me, having stopped to fix another of those mechanicals that only springs up when the group moves on.

I stopped alongside a static User13710, who was waiting to retrieve an errant rear light from the tarmac. We set off together behind the group but ahead of the TECs, only to find a big crossroads with no marker. Having eyed up all directions, we saw tail lights disappearing to the left, so I sent her on in pursuit. I hung back to point the way, just incase the TECs diagnosed a bigger problem and sent someone unfamiliar up the ride to advise the waymarkers.

It didn't seem to be uncommon for friends to stop together when one had a mechanical. The TECs would be acting correctly if they moved a slow rider on whilst they fixed a problem with the other's bike. If there is no certainty of a marker on the route ahead, that solo rider might well end up lost.

Andy.

Forgot about Mick's puncture. Seemed a bit odd that most of the incidents seemed to happen to more experienced riders (Simon, Mc W, Andy, Mick...).
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
I hope I'm not stating the painfully obvious here, but if TECs are un-acquainted with the route and it's last minute anomalies, therein lies the potential for issues, once the last of the ride has passed them whilst they're flexing tyre levers and CO2 cylinders, and the like.

Just saying, like...
that's why the Wayfinders have to be told to hold station by people sent from the back.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
We actually had a moment like that User10571. Having descended Reigate Hill, I stopped to fish my gloves out of the panniers, and so set off pretty much on the back of the ride. The massed TECs were just behind me, having stopped to fix another of those mechanicals that only springs up when the group moves on.

I stopped alongside a static User13710, who was waiting to retrieve an errant rear light from the tarmac. We set off together behind the group but ahead of the TECs, only to find a big crossroads with no marker. Having eyed up all directions, we saw tail lights disappearing to the left, so I sent her on in pursuit. I hung back to point the way, just incase the TECs diagnosed a bigger problem and sent someone unfamiliar up the ride to advise the waymarkers.

It didn't seem to be uncommon for friends to stop together when one had a mechanical. The TECs would be acting correctly if they moved a slow rider on whilst they fixed a problem with the other's bike. If there is no certainty of a marker on the route ahead, that solo rider might well end up lost.

Andy.
I did appoint somebody for that crossroads. I'll have a word.

Wayfinding is another issue entirely, and it'll get another sheet. I rely time and time again on the same people, like Chris By, who knows the score, does a stint and then rushes to the front again - and time and time again I have to look beyond the crowd of youngish men immediately behind me who don't fill me with confidence . Then again, the Wayfinders have to have complete confidence in the TECs, who must shout 'All-Up'. And, as McW found out in Wales that doesn't always happen.

We don't have a crisis. We've not lost anybody, but with rides of 90+ the chances of doing so increase if we don't know what we're doing. As Stu says, getting it right is really about small gains.
 
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dellzeqq

dellzeqq

pre-talced and mighty
Location
SW2
Forgot about Mick's puncture. Seemed a bit odd that most of the incidents seemed to happen to more experienced riders (Simon, Mc W, Andy, Mick...).
I don't think there's a reason, other than chance. Andy's tyres were pretty light, but in very good condition, and McW, Mick and I were all on durable tyres.
 
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