Pops up in this thread http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=2718.msg111588#msg111588 and on twitter. Would be a more tedious task to make it all up.
French Senate report out tomorrow...
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Pops up in this thread http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=2718.msg111588#msg111588 and on twitter. Would be a more tedious task to make it all up.
fatblokish
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Odd that for many people, the less data that support their beliefs the more ardently they'll defend them, even w/their lives. Neil deGrasse Tyson (b. 1958).
laurence
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i am unmoved by this... it was so long ago, really a different era. the following year was what mattered, attitudes had changed (slightly) and that is why the pharmstrong case was important - USPS reignited the arms race for drugs - the two speed peloton took shape.
i still don't get why the witch-hunt is for cycling? i don't see any other sport having to go through this.
i still don't get why the witch-hunt is for cycling? i don't see any other sport having to go through this.
Noodley
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Wot choo talkin about Willis?
Strathlubnaig
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Boardmans sample was 'missing' so was Voigts. But in 16 years of TdFs I think Jens will have been tested a fair few times, he's clean as a whistle.
It was so long ago that O'Grady retired the day before the results were announced, Laurence!
There are a fair few still involved in cycling including some DSs.
If Lance taught us anything, terrible argument
laurence
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It was so long ago that O'Grady retired the day before the results were announced, Laurence!
There are a fair few still involved in cycling including some DSs.
and? i don't get the argument that if they took drugs back then then they shouldn't have any further involvement in the sport.
it was another time, in many ways. O'Grady has kept going since then, he is better placed than many to have a DS role.
i'm all for cleaning up the sport, but the constant hand wringing of the past has to stop. two 100m runners have just failed drugs tests, will there be a retest of 1998 samples in athletics?
Bloody good point.
This wasn't a retest with a view to taking retribution - the senate's motives were different which you may or may not agree with but the investigation wasn't undertaken by the UCI, WADA etc.
On a personal level I still believe those who took drugs then and since should still be outed. I have suspicions that when O'Grady won P_R at the age of 34 he probably wasn't clean.
I'm not comfortable with DSs, who doped up to the eyeballs in their own careers, advising young riders that they should be clean and that they are capable of creating the ethos of clean cycling in their teams.
I also don't like the fact that commentators like Kelly, Roche, Blijlevens etc are mealy-mouthed in their comments when it comes to doping in the modern peloton for fear of accusations of hypocrisy.
I'd have had more respect for some of those named if they'd outed themselves with an explanation of how and why it happened, rather than O'Grady and Blijlevens denying it under questioning as recently as this year.
smutchin
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Flying_Monkey
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It's just a table of the information in the report; pretty easy to confirm.
smutchin
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Thanks, that answers my question, which was a sincere question, not snark. I haven't been able to download the report yet so haven't been able to confirm it for myself.
I only asked for confirmation of the source because I've seen an awful lot of supposition and guesswork and wanted to know that it wasn't just more of the same. It would have been quite normal for iLB to mention the source when posting the document.