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rich p said:
O'Grady only suspicious! I wonder if he'll make a statement.
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"I'm coming out of retirement"
 
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Strathlubnaig said:
The good news The Jensie is not on the list, which I never doubted, but some on here did.
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I've not seen the report yet, so this is a genuine question rather than innuendo...

Do we know for sure that Voigt was among the 60 samples tested?

AFAICS, the list of published names accounts for 33 of the 60 samples - do we know who the other 27 samples belonged to? And do we believe that all those riders were definitely clean just because they didn't test positive during the 1998 Tour?
 
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smutchin said:
I've not seen the report yet, so this is a genuine question rather than innuendo...

Do we know for sure that Voigt was among the 60 samples tested?

AFAICS, the list of published names accounts for 33 of the 60 samples - do we know who the other 27 samples belonged to? And do we believe that all those riders were definitely clean just because they didn't test positive during the 1998 Tour?
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You can go on for ever "suspecting" riders because they might have been doing something and did not get caught. This is as pointless an exercise as trying to suggest rider x is doing something and then saying he has to prove his innocence. That's not how it works. Tests happen at plenty of races and out of competition as well, not just at the TdF.
We should have some perspective on this, it was 15 years ago!
Things are very different now, it's only the Kimmages of this world who can't/don't want to see that because to them a quality performance has to be assisted. Then a man has to try and make a living....:sad:
 
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oldroadman said:
Things are very different now, it's only the Kimmages of this world who can't/don't want to see that because to them a quality performance has to be assisted. Then a man has to try and make a living....:sad:
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Hhmm, it's this sort of snideness, especially from those that are seemingly well-connected in the pro-cycling world, that make me wonder whether Kimmage isn't going to be proved after all right. Kimmage could easily have settled for the quiet life (a la Fotheringham et al.) and made a fine living: if anything his unrelenting focus on doping has been a hindrance to his career.
 
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oldroadman said:
You can go on for ever "suspecting" riders because they might have been doing something and did not get caught. This is as pointless an exercise as trying to suggest rider x is doing something and then saying he has to prove his innocence. That's not how it works.
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I wasn't making an accusation, or even voicing a suspicion, just wondering why Voigt's name was even brought into the discussion.

Boardman's name has also been mentioned, but it's reasonable to assume his was probably among the samples tested because he won a stage.

As for my final point, I've read elswhere that one O'Grady sample was "suspicious" but there were a further two samples from him that were "negative". Now, I don't know if that's true or not but if it were true, it would demonstrate how meaningless a "negative" test is.

Anyway, as was mentioned upthread, the list of names is just a tiny and fairly insignificant element of this report, so I shan't dwell on it further.
 
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