French Senate report out tomorrow...

[User169]

I don't know and on the face of it, it looks like he made a stupid decision for the sake of the short term which has now jeopardised his future in the sport. Cycling may be the only thing he knows, so I'd say he was caught between between a rock and a hard place.

There was an "open letter" from him published in the Dutch press yesterday. He says he didn't fess up last year because the team didn't have a sponsor and he didn't want to jeopardize the chances of getting a new sponsor. Make of that what you will. He did though trot out the old "I did it alone; none of the teams I rode with were involved" line which made me feel less sympathetic.

 

[Crackle]

There was an "open letter" from him published in the Dutch press yesterday. He says he didn't fess up last year because the team didn't have a sponsor and he didn't want to jeopardize the chances of getting a new sponsor. Make of that what you will. He did though trot out the old "I did it alone; none of the teams I rode with were involved" line which made me feel less sympathetic.

Hmmm, true. Which is why I'm currently having difficulty trying to work out whether the Vaughters approach to the past or the Brailsford approach is best.

I suppose once you keep a secret for so long it's difficult to admit it without tearing something of yourself apart. /amateur psychologist mode

 

[dimspace]

Is that verifiable?

Yup.I did it. Some will know me online/twitter add doing the Armstrong business links chart and the Armstrong tests charts last year.

Extra graphic done today

 

[Noodley]

Hmmm, true. Which is why I'm currently having difficulty trying to work out whether the Vaughters approach to the past or the Brailsford approach is best.

It's not a question of which is "best" rather "do they work?", so if the answer is "yes" to both systems working then that's all that matters.

 

[thom]

Yup.I did it. Some will know me online/twitter add doing the Armstrong business links chart and the Armstrong tests charts last year.

Extra graphic done today

Welcome @dimspace & thanks not only for this but indeed also for that Armstrong info which was often referred to from this forum.

 

[Crackle]

It's not a question of which is "best" rather "do they work?", so if the answer is "yes" to both systems working then that's all that matters.

You could point to both and say they aren't though. Sky have fallen foul of their own policies, Vaughters on the other hand seems to have come out the better but some of the stuff he wants seems unachievable. No one wants to embrace past dopers it seems, not if the French Senate report fallout is anything to go by.

 

[Noodley]

Sky have fallen foul of their own policies, Vaughters on the other hand seems to have come out the better but some of the stuff he wants seems unachievable.

But do they work? That is not the same as "falling foul" or wanting the "seemingly unachievable".

 

[dimspace]

Did I read somewhere that they had degraded?

I'm on mobile so bear with me. There are two types of note, manquant/missing and undetectable. On the whole undetectable means the sample has degraded.

Missing could mean a number of things.
It was six years since the samples, they may have started to be destroyed (note. Only a couple of 99 are missing)
It's also possible that the entire sample was used in original testing back in 98.

This was not an anti doping exercise so there was no need for missing to be looked at.

 

[Noodley]

@dimspace, any chance you could do a graphic to show that Jensie doped, just for me

 

[Crackle]

But do they work? That is not the same as "falling foul" or wanting the "seemingly unachievable".

In the context of cleaning up the sport, it's too early to say. In the context of laying the ghosts of the past to rest, no. There is no, yes/no answer.

 

[Noodley]

In the context of cleaning up the sport, it's too early to say.

True, but apart from the clinic and LD (who is as mad as feck) most people would agree that SKY are "clean".

And, again with the previous exceptions, most people would say Garmin are as well.

 

[thom]

True, but apart from the clinic and LD (who is as mad as feck) most people would agree that SKY are "clean".

These French guys certainly didn't think Sky were clean on Alpe d'Huez:

 

[Noodley]

These French guys certainly didn't think Sky were clean on Alpe d'Huez:

OK, apart from the clinic, LD (who is as mad as feck) and the French most people would agree that SKY are "clean"...