Foam rolling

[ayceejay]

Can anybody tell what a trigger point is?

 

[vickster]

Googling should help, for a physiotherapy site. Dry needling works on the same principle, ie myofascial release

 

[Tin Pot]

There is no evidence that stretching, which foam rolling is part of, is a good idea at all.

 

[vickster]

There is no evidence that stretching, which foam rolling is part of, is a good idea at all.

I believe it is more a form of myofascial release which is not the same as stretching

 

[Tin Pot]

I believe it is more a form of myofascial release which is not the same as stretching

Ok:

There is no good evidence that myofascial release is a good idea at all.

 

[vickster]

Ok:

There is no good evidence that myofascial release is a good idea at all.

What evidence? Dry needling has certiinly helped relieve several of my ails, as has sports/physio massage

What would you suggest as an alternative for muscle tightness and the accompanying pain?
What are your qualifications in this respect out of interest? Doctor, physio, sports therapist, other?

If it does no good, why do professional athletes have massage, do stretching, use foam rollers? They must see some benefit. You imply it's not a good idea, thus is it harmful?

 

[Tin Pot]

What evidence? Dry needling has certiinly helped relieve several of my ails, as has sports/physio massage

What would you suggest as an alternative for muscle tightness and the accompanying pain?
What are your qualifications in this respect out of interest? Doctor, physio, sports therapist, other?

Exactly, what evidence?

I am not a fan* of any remedy that is unable to be evidenced as effective.

My ability to determine the efficacy of myofascial release is entirely dependant on science - this enables us all to determine whether something is effective or not. The absence of evidence of its efficacy is all that is needed to park it neatly on the shelf next to crystals, snake oil and magic EDIT: forgot bike helmets and hi viz(!)

*I'm understating for politeness

 

[vickster]

Fair enough, that's your prerogative. So you would only a pursue a medical treatment that is proven 100% effective? Sounds risky. I prefer to weigh up the odds especially as we alol react differently to treatments whatever those may be

I'm not a scientist or expert. I take the advice of those who are

 

[fossyant]

Trigger points are a pain and myofacial release does work. I've had my back worked on a few times and have even had trigger points injected (4 in total) by a pain specialist.

 

[Tin Pot]

Fair enough, that's your prerogative. So you would only a pursue a medical treatment that is proven 100% effective? Sounds risky. I prefer to weigh up the odds

I would only pursue a medical treatment that is evidenced as effective.

I can still weigh up odds if it is only sometimes effective, or has some downside.

But if there is no evidence that something is effective at all I may as well drink water that was once drunk by a healthy person.

 

[Tin Pot]

Trigger points are a pain and myofacial release does work. I've had my back worked on a few times and have even had trigger points injected (4 in total) by a pain specialist.

The Advertsing standards agency disagrees with you, and they allow the sale of beauty creams(!)

 

[vickster]

Myofascial release/massage and dry needling have been effective for me, so I'm happy to continue to try it when the circumstances suggest that it might work. Better than doing nothing, even if the relief is temporary

 

[ayceejay]

Tin Pot there is a good reason why alternative medicine exists and i won't insult you by telling you what that reason is.
As we learn more about how the body works that is of particular interest to an athlete, traditional and fixed ideas remain and are hard to shift. Oh dear I might just have spilled the beans.
The danger is the half knowledge that surrounds anything new. If someone used a foam roller and stretching and it somehow went wrong (use your imagination) they would end up in emergency and if that happened twice it would be an epidemic and foam rollers and stretching are quack. If it works we only get guys on CC talking about it if not the Daily Mail are all over it.

 

[Tin Pot]

Tin Pot there is a good reason why alternative medicine exists and i won't insult you by telling you what that reason is.
As we learn more about how the body works that is of particular interest to an athlete, traditional and fixed ideas remain and are hard to shift. Oh dear I might just have spilled the beans.
The danger is the half knowledge that surrounds anything new. If someone used a foam roller and stretching and it somehow went wrong (use your imagination) they would end up in emergency and if that happened twice it would be an epidemic and foam rollers and stretching are quack. If it works we only get guys on CC talking about it if not the Daily Mail are all over it.

It's not medicine if it doesn't work. If it can't be proven to work, it's not medicine. So it's not an "alternative".

It exists because people are not taught how to think clearly, the value of scientific method nor about objective reality.

Science challenges fixed ideas, it provides an acceptable way to be proven wrong and move human knowledge forward.

Rejecting scientific information regresses humanity. Choosing a path that is known to be ineffective makes it less likely for you to seek out actual medicine. So it is a negative approach.

Knowledge is driven by need. Masking that need reduces the drive to investigate. If you believe myofascial release "just works", you are unlikely to be driven to study and provide objective evidence.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

Foam rolling keeps my knee functioning, thats really all the evidence I need