First Aid

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Spinney

Bimbleur extraordinaire
Location
Back up north
Ah - I was wondering when someone was going to mention space blankets/survival blankets! Maybe its my background as a walker, but I think one of these is essential. Although by definition a road cyclist is nearer to help, many cyclists seem to dress on the assumption that their activity will keep them warm while moving so they could get pretty cold (never mind shock) sitting by the road for even a short time. Not sure how many motorists would welcome a blood-and-dirt-covered cyclist into their car to keep warm until the ambulance arrives!
 

subaqua

What’s the point
Location
Leytonstone
I'm sorry but posts like this are not helpful, this is not a diving forum and will only cause confusion with other people reading it.
Firstly, it is perfectly acceptable to do compression only CPR. The reason compression only CPR is encouraged is that evidence shows that lay persons can not open an airway, so any attempt at ventilation is almost always unsuccessful and infact it is time off the chest which is linked to poor outcomes. So why carry a face-shield?
Secondly, nobody carries O2 when out cycling, and as the other posts are mostly about traumatic injuries (and you will know that the British Thoracic Society guidelines on O2 therapy says to give O2 in traumatic injuries) in these cases it wouldn't be withheld.

Please stay on topic, it prevents us from digging a hole for ourselves. I envy your diving, its something I'd love to do but please remember that diving first aid training is specialised for a good reason. The problems with blood gasses are pretty unique to that activity and may not transfer across to other fields.


the post below yours sums up why i carry a faceshield and use it. I wan't going to bother responding but something in the tone of your response made me . maybe it was the writing something i didn't say or suggest.
 

compo

Veteran
Location
Harlow
I carry two triangular bandages and that is it. Not much in first aid that can't be dealt with with those.
 
I have always managed with a Leatherman tool and electrical insulation tape. Anything more and it will more a case of stem blood flow, keep still and call for an ambulance.


A few years, I skidded and hit a crash barrier at 25 mph. The electrical tape I carried, doubled over on top of the gaping wound exposing my shin bone, was perfect to keep the flies out before I went to A&E. :biggrin:
 

mrandmrspoves

Middle aged bald git.
Location
Narfuk
I'm just recovering from quite a big off at the weekend. I'm going to get one of those silver blanket thingy's. I got very cold waiting for a car to take my battered body to hospital. Had it been more serious than the broken collar bone I've got then it could have been quite bad getting colder and colder.

As you will see from my kit - I always carry one or two (silver blanket thingy's) They're light, compact and cost Exactly £1 each in a certain cheapo store! One of the biggest killers following an injury is still shock. So a £1 investment could really save a life.
 

summerdays

Cycling in the sun
Location
Bristol
Ah - I was wondering when someone was going to mention space blankets/survival blankets!
Yep I've got a space blanket in at least two of my first aid kits! Including the one I normally carry on the bike.
 

TheJDog

dingo's kidneys
A blanket is probably more important than any of that scissors/tweezers crap in a genuine emergency.
 

Grizzly

Well-Known Member
Location
East Kilbride
Firstly, it is perfectly acceptable to do compression only CPR. The reason compression only CPR is encouraged is that evidence shows that lay persons can not open an airway

The main reasons that the current resuscitation guidelines advise lay people to do compression only resuscitation is that so many people are unwilling to consider attempting mouth to mouth and although this is more likely to have a good outcome than compression only - doing nothing is definitely less effective than starting chest compressions.

I guess that if you are only giving chest compressions - this should be re-named CR as you are not doing the P bit.

As a nurse, I am trained to administer CPR so always carry a face shield. I have administered mouth to mouth without a mask in the past (successfully) hence why I now carry a mask.
I carry a reasonable equipped first aid kit - including plasters, bandages, Triangular sling bandage, gauze, anti septic wipes, plasters, safety pins, A cool pack, a survival blanket, anti histamine tabs and a Salbutamol Inhaler. Latex free gloves and a couple of polythene bags are also always included .
Likewise I carry a fairly extensive tool kit...

You never know when you will need it or have the opportunity to help someone else who needs it.

Research by Prof Malcolm Woollard shows that lay people were not managing to ventilate a patient due to poor airway management, this time off the chest leads to a drop in perfusion pressures and is linked to poor outcomes. You are correct that people did not do CPR as they were not comfortable doing ventilations but the reason the various councils/societies are saying compression only is due to the research bit.
Salbutamol is a POM, under what/whose clinical governance system are you prescribing and administering it?
 

Grizzly

Well-Known Member
Location
East Kilbride
the post below yours sums up why i carry a faceshield and use it. I wan't going to bother responding but something in the tone of your response made me . maybe it was the writing something i didn't say or suggest.

I can only apologise if my tone has came across in any sort of negative way. I was attempting to point out that there are members who have loads of experience and qualifications with regards to first aid, but that those qualifications and experience does not necessarily transfer across the the needs of a cyclist. An example being the item you said that lives in your bag is infact a pocket mask with an oxygen port and not a face shield. Although this may be perfect for a diver I would suggest that the space it takes up in a cyclists kit would be better used for food for yourself for example. You also mention giving oxygen, medical oxygen is a prescription only medication and should only be administered by someone qualified to do so and who is working under the appropriate clinical governance system, just like the Salbutamol point above. You also mentioned that " there are some conditions where o2 can aggravate the situation", this is true in the case of a heart attack or a patient who has COPD and has developed a hypoxic drive, but certainly not the case in a trauma situation. As I said at the start, I apologise if I seemed off at all but I think it is important to keep first aid simple so that people are encouraged to learn and administer it.
 

Lee_M

Guru
Wow! I take food drinks puncture repair and tools a credit card an a phone

No idea where I'd put everything else

If you have all that stuff then why bother with a light weight bike

(said with at least part of my tongue in my cheek)
 

ttcycle

Cycling Excusiast
Does anyone else carry first aid and if so what do you carry?


I used to carry a mouth one way valve for CPR -one of these but less fancy.

I put is somewhere and can't find it now but carried it around for years, once I find again it will go in my jacket pocket again.

I think First Aid is amazing and wish more people knew the basics.

I have only read the first post but I'd remove the Savlon cream as a lot of hospitals have issues with creams etc applied and spend a bit of time washing them out- save them the hassle.
 

RiflemanSmith

Senior Member
Location
London UK
I don't have any first aid certificates but I am an NHS Paramedic. In an emergency I would improvise with what I am wearing, if necessary, and if the incident was serious enough I would call for an emergency response and stabilise the patient until arrival of the ambulance crew.
Bit off topic but a paramedic is more skilled than an ambulance driver and technician aren't they?
 
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