Nor mine as it's now a room in the house. The point is that neither of us lives somewhere where the winter temperatures are regularly significantly below freezing. Most Norweigians have houses rather than flats and the vast majority of EV owners charge at home. Therefore Norweigins tend to keep cars in garages and also to pre-condition the battery before going out. Last winter - a particularly harsh one - it was reported by Viking (breakdown service) that 87% of call outs were to ICE vehicles as opposed to 13% for EVs (for balance, 23% of cars on Norweigian roads are EVs.
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Probably true (but I also read that around 60% of UK households have a driveway they could charge on), but Norway still has a decent public infrastructure - here’s an older 2022 article on it.
I used to watch a lot of videos by crazy Bjorn - very thorough testing, & an engaging way of passing his findings on!
lazybloke
Today i follow the flying spaghetti monster
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I've made a rare incursion into an ignored thread to draw attention to a safety study that my son found on iseecars.com
It's light on detail, but shows tables of occupant fatality rates per billion miles for various cars, concluding a particular Hyundai as worst.
What's interesting is when broken down my manufacturer, Tesla is the most danagerous make for occupant fatalities.
My son's interpretation is too many drivers being over-reliant on immature self-driving software, but I recall stats that FSD is 4-5x safer than a human, so I think the Tesla crashes creating these stats are probably driver error because of the high performance.
Some might say that's proof that more FSD is needed. I disagree.
FSD safety is assessed in another country with completely different road sizes, road capacities, laws, and priorities - it might not easily translate to UK roads. Hell, it makes some stupid mistakes even on large US roads. As do the superior lidar systems.
Bring that tech over here, and I think gridlock might result as large vehicles jockey for increasingly congested tarmac.
My question: Is it time that cars didn't try to replace drivers, but instead enforced standards stopped drivers doing stupid things? That way you'd get all the safety benefits of the technology but none of its limitations.
It's light on detail, but shows tables of occupant fatality rates per billion miles for various cars, concluding a particular Hyundai as worst.
What's interesting is when broken down my manufacturer, Tesla is the most danagerous make for occupant fatalities.
My son's interpretation is too many drivers being over-reliant on immature self-driving software, but I recall stats that FSD is 4-5x safer than a human, so I think the Tesla crashes creating these stats are probably driver error because of the high performance.
Some might say that's proof that more FSD is needed. I disagree.
FSD safety is assessed in another country with completely different road sizes, road capacities, laws, and priorities - it might not easily translate to UK roads. Hell, it makes some stupid mistakes even on large US roads. As do the superior lidar systems.
Bring that tech over here, and I think gridlock might result as large vehicles jockey for increasingly congested tarmac.
My question: Is it time that cars didn't try to replace drivers, but instead enforced standards stopped drivers doing stupid things? That way you'd get all the safety benefits of the technology but none of its limitations.
I agree with your simpler explanation to the data above.
The cars are faster accelerating and higher top speed than many supercars and even hyper cars. Those who think they can drive them in such a manner safely and be in control often find out the hard way that their skills and reaction times are left wanting.
The cars are faster accelerating and higher top speed than many supercars and even hyper cars. Those who think they can drive them in such a manner safely and be in control often find out the hard way that their skills and reaction times are left wanting.
Interestingly my neighbour told me that when he bought his Tesla 3 Performance he was taken out for a test drive and there was a lot of explanation and guidance about *NOT* just putting your foot down in performance road, unless you were really ready for it. He assures me that it is terrifyingly fast.
Rusty Nails
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That is the most compelling reason for not liking Teslas (or any other high performance cars) for use on our overcrowded, crappy roads. Cars that are "terrifyingly fast" should be kept for the race track where their drivers can really show off their "skills" and utilise the potential of their cars.
DRM
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The stupid thing with this is that the electronic control side can quite easily be designed to set top speed, acceleration and the rate of regen braking, it just that Tesla think it’s clever to have a car that iirc is faster than a Bugatti Veyron, then they get issued as company cars to idiots that abuse BMW’s and Audi’s, I mean what could possibly go wrong
He is, but the Tesla 3 performance (they don't call the 3 plaid) which can do 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. The Tesla 3 long range takes much longer at 4.2 seconds. The standard range is a positive sluggard at 5.6 seconds whilst the entry level rear wheel drive is 5.8 seconds. This does tend to be notably faster than the competition.
The ID4 for example takes between 7.8 and 9 seconds unless you have the dual motor all wheel drive or the 2024 Pro S which can manage between 4.8 and 5.9 seconds.
Tesla have notably gone for speedy. That said, all electric cars are pretty speedy, with gearless acceleration.
As a comparison, the 0-60 of a Renault Grand Scenic is 10-13 seconds.
mistyoptic
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I still do that, on the odd occasions when I have to go out early
I remember having to get up at 5 am before school to hold a burning newspaper into the air intake of my Dad's Leyland Buffalo just to get the thing to start on frosty mornings!
I know of someone else who used to put a small paraffin heater under his Ford D-series in frost to try to help it start in the morning. Then someone stole his heater!
FIL was in RAF Mountain Rescue….told of a time he crossed the Scottish Highlands in their Landie with this pal holding a lighter to keep a bit of the screen clear 😜
My Dad kept a gas blowtorch in the cab for that purpose.
In those days, lorry drivers took off multiple coats when they got out of the cab to roll up the covers!
VW have cancelled their new EV 'ID Unix' on the MEB platform. Going forward VW will be using a collaboration with a Chinese maker to use CMP platform. Audi in the meantime cars made in China will use SIAC's platform and ditch MEB too. SIAC own MG plus other brands.
Looks like MEB is being totally ditched. VW is massively cutting the price of the Unix by 30% and paying those few existing owners a cash compensation.
Looks like MEB is being totally ditched. VW is massively cutting the price of the Unix by 30% and paying those few existing owners a cash compensation.
DRM
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My Dad used candles in a biscuit tin to get a little heat in the cab
Contrast that with one of our lorry drivers at work, issued a brand new Scania, all the heating controls are electronic, the heater has a mind of it’s own, it decided that maximum heat was required and wouldn’t turn down, then after getting to his first drop it decided the cab was too hot, so blasted the air conditioning until it was freezing inside, so it seems it has 2 mystery settings hotter than the sun, and artic blast, Scania have no idea what’s wrong with it
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