Yes, they are all parked on double yellow lines, the local parking enforcement people would have a field day.
E-scooters to be allowed on public roads
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Yes, they are all parked on double yellow lines, the local parking enforcement people would have a field day.
a.twiddler
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Small car, motorcycle, 40T truck, specifications for numbers and plate sizes are standard. Assuming private scooters became part of the mainstream and classified as a road vehicle some sort of standard would have to be agreed, even as a special category, if only so that they'd be detectable on the various camera systems. One reason for current road vehicles being stopped at present (assuming any enforcement is still going on) is for undersized plates and non standard lettering which "might" cause issues with roadside detection systems, though often it leads to other things being picked up with young drivers and motorcyclists blinging up their vehicles with non standard parts. If private electric scooters became legal and commonplace there could be a market for dodgy upgrades for those, too.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
I'm not sure how the two are connected.
It's not either/or. Dockless schemes will never have any effect the number of parked cars on the pavements. They just add to pavement clutter. Often in places where there was no pavement parking to begin with. Great.
People are stupid gits, and given the chance they will do the stupidest laziest thing possible. Whether it's parking on the pavement or leaving a Human Forest bike lying on its side in the middle of the footway.
Which reminds me. I need to go and fetch my bins in. They will be blocking the pavement at the moment.
BoldonLad
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- South Tyneside
The idea of each e-scooter (and/or e-bike) having a “registration number”, is only half the issue. Each vehicle would need to have a registered keeper, change of ownership/keeper (and/or theft/disposal) would need to be recorded. A whole new Swansea DVLA would be required.
a.twiddler
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The system is already there. It's just the legislation that's needed (assuming that the government can get round to it) and the necessary enforcement.
Andy in Germany
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The system for these is fairly simple here: each insurance company buys a bulk set of plates; to buy one as a motor scooter owner you have to register your name and address with the company and pay a fee; you are then insured for the year with this number plate and the data is transferred onto the government database. This means it's financed by the users and administered by the companies.
That would never work here, it's too sensible 😉
BoldonLad
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So, you think DVLA could deal with, potentially, a few tens of thousands of additional "vehicles", not to mention the tracing and registration of existing "illegal vehicles"? They cannot even deal effectively with the existing motor vehicles.
BoldonLad
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Sounds like an effective and simple system, no Government in UK would even consider such a thing.
I believe that the number plate system in Germany is that a number plate is issued to a person, not a car / motor bike etc..Thus, when said person sells said car / motor bike, the number plate stays with the person, not the vehicle.
Seems eminently sensible.
BoldonLad
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Would that mean (say) a couple sharing a car would need to switch number plates each time they switch drivers?
How would it deal with "pool" cars, or hire cars, would number plates have to be continually changed?.
a.twiddler
Veteran
Unlike the insurance racket that we have in this country, (fortunes spent on advertising instead of bringing down costs, stuffed meerkats and all that nonsense) many countries do have a state system that links the number plate to insurance, so the plate has to be renewed as proof of insurance. Probably a basic third party liability system with further cover available if the individual, or maybe employer or responsible person, wants to take it. All systems have their administrative issues and drawbacks but it works for them.
Dogtrousers
Kilometre nibbler
@Andy in Germany would know but I think it's to do with the owner, not the driver. So when you sell your car you take the plates off and if you register a new car put them on that. Or something like that
ebikeerwidnes
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There has been a collision between an e-scooter and a red fiat in Liverpool
E-scooter rider is in critical condition
One of the comments on the article in the Echo is
"You take the gamble when riding these pieces of crap. In the first place the roads are only barely big enough for a car. "
errrr - not sure that makes the point he is trying to make
after all - clearly from that we would be better if everyone was using a scooter of bike!
E-scooter rider is in critical condition
One of the comments on the article in the Echo is
"You take the gamble when riding these pieces of crap. In the first place the roads are only barely big enough for a car. "
errrr - not sure that makes the point he is trying to make
after all - clearly from that we would be better if everyone was using a scooter of bike!
Andy in Germany
Guru
- Location
- Rottenburg am Neckar
As @Dogtrousers says, the system is based on ownership of the vehicle; also, if you move to a different county then you have to re-register the car and you get new plates; counties are fairly small here, so you wouldn't have to move far to need to change plate.
The system for small scooters is completely seperate though, and the plates are different, with a new colour for each year.
German insurance is for the vehicle, not the driver, so in the case of the van we use for work, I'm automatically insured. A certificate has to be carried in the car and produced if the police ask for it. Of course, if you can't produce a licence, the insurance is automatically invalid.
I'm not sure how this relates to motor scooters.
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