dumbass LCC bike lane on Stratford High Street

[knocksofbeggarmen]

do you think it might be a better use of taxpayers money if they delay the one that will be ripped up within 12 months for the tideway tunnel construction

No, because it won't be 'ripped up'. We are talking about less than a hundred yards, over which TfL have said there is going to be a replacement segregated bike provision during works, at the expense of motor vehicle space.

 

[knocksofbeggarmen]

Nurse, he's out of bed again.

I love you too.

 

[subaqua]

No, because it won't be 'ripped up'. We are talking about less than a hundred yards, over which TfL have said there is going to be a replacement segregated bike provision during works, at the expense of motor vehicle space.

and you believe everything TfL says ?

 

[knocksofbeggarmen]

and you believe everything TfL says ?

In this case it forms part of the consultation undertakings. In other words they'd get sued.

 

[knocksofbeggarmen]

Are they wide enough to provide segregated provision throughout? If you would like to convince me of this, please show some plans.

I don't understand why you think 'show me it can be done throughout' is a challenge to a plan that shows it can be done on specific routes

 

[subaqua]

In this case it forms part of the consultation undertakings. In other words they'd get sued.

consultation .... which one has the permissions and has the government backings. things change greatly between consultation and implementation.

and even 100 yds is still wasting money isn't it

 

[knocksofbeggarmen]

In this case it forms part of the consultation undertakings. In other words they'd get sued.

Indeed, much easier to provide a temporary cycle route countinuation over a sewer works area than to cater for existing motor traffic - think of the axle weight.

 

[subaqua]

Indeed, much easier to provide a temporary cycle route countinuation over a sewer works area than to cater for existing motor traffic - think of the axle weight.

you don't have much civil engineering experience then

 

[mjr]

sort of answers your own question.that is a claim they represent london cyclists.

No, it's a claim that they represent 12,000 London cyclists and are trying to do what they consider best for everyone.

I got shouted at waaaay back on this thread by the Waltham forest LCC rep ( i think ) when I commented the Newham rep was a joke. especially when encouraging antisocial cycling on a feeder ride to an LCC organised demonstration.

Where was that then? I can't see how to search this thread and about the only response I see you had was this:

I don't think there is any need for that. You are free to stand for that voluntary role and be less of a joke any time.

that certainly is NOT the voice i want to be heard for me

Oh well, I hope you're either campaigning for yourself or have joined one/some of the other organisations then and aren't just whinging on CC ;-)

 

[knocksofbeggarmen]

even 100 yds is still wasting money isn't it

It isn't 100 yards. And it sure as hell isn't wasting money if it saves lives, increases transport capacity and reduces pollution.

you don't have much civil engineering experience then

This is your response to my observation that cars and lorries weigh more than bicycles? If I had civil engineering experience ,I would be a wiser man and know that bicycles weigh more than Lorries?

 

[mjr]

Are they wide enough to provide segregated provision throughout? If you would like to convince me of this, please show some plans.

As well as quoting "It's a question of setting priorities and then letting the experts come up with the detailed plans, not producing our own detailed plans first, which will be out-of-date before they're ever built" maybe try comprehending it? I'm not a highways designer either and even if I were, would I have time to work for free just to best you in an argument?

Pick whatever street you like. It may take some tough choices. It may involve redirecting other traffic or worse. Unless it's a narrow foot-only alley, there is space. The question is more whether space for cycling (whatever form it takes - not only kerb-protected lanes) is important enough that the politicians will reallocate it to us. As the old habits fail to address congestion, obesity, pollution and so on, it becomes more likely.

 

[subaqua]

It isn't 100 yards. And it sure as hell isn't wasting money if it saves lives, increases transport capacity and reduces pollution.



This is your response to my observation that cars and lorries weigh more than bicycles? If I had civil engineering experience ,I would be a wiser man and know that bicycles weigh more than Lorries?

no you would know that providing infrastructure is easy as it is going to be needed to construct the tideway tunnels . don't be obtuse.

the area is going to be heavily congested due to construction and i would like to use roads andnot be abused by taxi drivers etc for being in the road. you just know what abuse is going to happen . "use your special lane you exdel " etc

 

[subaqua]

No, it's a claim that they represent 12,000 London cyclists and are trying to do what they consider best for everyone.

Where was that then? I can't see how to search this thread and about the only response I see you had was this:


Oh well, I hope you're either campaigning for yourself or have joined one/some of the other organisations then and aren't just whinging on CC ;-)

well if lobbying local councillors and the MPs for my work and home constituencies counts as campaigning then yes i am.

what is your opinion of LCC reps for boroughs encouraging antisocial cycling along riverfront routes where there are specific prohibitions and lots of more vulnerable people ( pedestrians) . Really sets a good example to potential members , although if thats your thing fill yer boots

 

[knocksofbeggarmen]

As I may have said before, this is not a school debating society. This is a discussion about how to go about best promoting and protecting a personal freedom, to ride one's bicycle where and when one likes.

Ah, so you are angling to the 'right to ride' your bike on the Motorways... which the CTC were partly responsible for bringing about as segregated infrastructure in the first place. What were they thinking? They were thinking motorways would free up the rest of the road network for cycling and so avoid the dreaded segregated bicycle lane..... D'oh!

 

[mjr]

As I may have said before, this is not a school debating society. This is a discussion about how to go about best promoting and protecting a personal freedom, to ride one's bicycle where and when one likes.

Actually, it started by saying that LCC liked the Stratford floating bus stop design - which they don't quite, calling it "rather narrow and the kerbs are too high" in http://lcc.org.uk/articles/mayors-c...-step-towards-going-dutch-for-london-cyclists but as they say "the principle is sound" because they've been used for years in other cities like Cambridge without problems - and somehow early participants seem to think that LCC designed these specially for TfL.

Isn't the best way to protect your freedom to ride in the mixed lane a little education and more law enforcement? Why try to deny other types of rider their chosen space?

The nutter on your back wheel hurling abuse if you're in the mixed lane will be doing it whether or not there's a cycleway nearby. Surely many of you have had "get off the road" abuse when there wasn't a cycleway nearby, or is that just me? We even had one poor misguided local here write into the newspaper calling for cyclists to use a non-existant cycleway instead of riding on the road across a river bridge.