Doubling Up On Road

[freecyclist]

Well, sportives like the London nightrider would prove tricky in that instance.

Quite - it would be the responsibility of the organisers to provide adequate supervision and stewarding to guarantee (afap) safety in that case.
My initial main point as you may remember was that large groups of cyclists on public roads with no special supervisions to deal with potential safety , public nuisance etc concerns , might be well advised to split into smaller groups.

 

[John the Monkey]

For example I tow a large trailer quite a lot and you would be amazed how many people will pull into the gap in between my vehicle and the one in front of me as I approach a junction or a line of stationary traffic. Although it may seem that I am leaving quite a large gap, I need this space as my stopping distance is much increased due to the added weight

And yet this is hugely obvious to anyone with half the sense they were born with.

I've never driven a vehicle with any sort of trailer, but I'd be careful to leave any such vehicle a good stopping distance, on account of observing properly, and having a rudimentary understanding of momentum and so forth.

I think the problem isn't that people don't understand, it's that most of the time, they don't care, they don't observe properly, and they don't actively try to percieve hazards ahead. And largely, it all works out all right. You'll either compensate for their idiocy or a situation in which it would cause a problem doesn't arise, so the behaviour self reinforces.

 

[MissTillyFlop]

Quite - it would be the responsibility of the organisers to provide adequate supervision and stewarding to guarantee (afap) safety in that case.
My initial main point as you may remember was that large groups of cyclists on public roads with no special supervisions to deal with potential safety , public nuisance etc concerns , might be well advised to split into smaller groups.

I do have to ask - what about commuters who are not in one group, but end up being so because they are all trying to get to work for 9am?

 

[Bicycle]

That wasnt really what I was getting at. I was wondering if motorists would have more sympathy with cyclists if they had to get on a bike and see what it was like for themselves as well as vice versa.

For example I tow a large trailer quite a lot and you would be amazed how many people will pull into the gap in between my vehicle and the one in front of me as I approach a junction or a line of stationary traffic. Although it may seem that I am leaving quite a large gap, I need this space as my stopping distance is much increased due to the added weight and once or twice I have had to work quite hard to prevent myself running into the back of them. Also when moving out to the centre of the road, left indicator on to negotiate a tight corner has lead to some bright sparks deciding to try and pass me on the inside leaving us both stationary with nowhere to go.

I am sure that all road users have their own difficulties peculiar to their own mode of transport that might be quite so apparent to others.

I do not think myself a particularly skilled driver, cyclist or motorcyclist. But I am in no doubt that my skill and awareness in each of the three pursuits would be even poorer without the many thousands of miles I've spent enjoying the other two.

I've never towed a trailer, but I bet I'd be more considerate towards towing vehicles if I had.

As to the lovely cars question:

Is anything more effortlessly stylish than a Chapron DS?

Is anything more alluringly, pointlessly, weirdly jolie-laide than the prototypical blind alley that was the Citroen M35?

Is anything cuter than a early Fiat 850 Spyder (the model with faired-in lights)?

Is any modern-era supercar more subtle than a 288 GTO?

Has there ever been anything as lovely as the Bimota DB1, even though it isn't a car?

Was anything so resolutely unfussy ever as pretty as a Lancia Aurelia B20?

The correct answer to each of the above is "Of course not!"

Each of the above, if a bicycle, would be a very nice one indeed. Maybe not the M35....

 

[Origamist]

Quite - it would be the responsibility of the organisers to provide adequate supervision and stewarding to guarantee (afap) safety in that case.
My initial main point as you may remember was that large groups of cyclists on public roads with no special supervisions to deal with potential safety , public nuisance etc concerns , might be well advised to split into smaller groups.

Club rides already do this. They will often have different paced rides at different times and/or routes for different levels of ability.

Have you ever ridden in a group?

You seem to be quite militant on this issue.

 

[montyboy]

I do not think myself a particularly skilled driver, cyclist or motorcyclist. But I am in no doubt that my skill and awareness in each of the three pursuits would be even poorer without the many thousands of miles I've spent enjoying the other two.

I've never towed a trailer, but I bet I'd be more considerate towards towing vehicles if I had.

As to the lovely cars question:

Is anything more effortlessly stylish than a Chapron DS?

Is anything more alluringly, pointlessly, weirdly jolie-laide than the prototypical blind alley that was the Citroen M35?

Is anything cuter than a early Fiat 850 Spyder (the model with faired-in lights)?

Is any modern-era supercar more subtle than a 288 GTO?

Has there ever been anything as lovely as the Bimota DB1, even though it isn't a car?

Was anything so resolutely unfussy ever as pretty as a Lancia Aurelia B20?

The correct answer to each of the above is "Of course not!"

Each of the above, if a bicycle, would be a very nice one indeed. Maybe not the M35....

You are of course a man with sublime taste sir!

 

[srw]

Is anything more effortlessly stylish than a Chapron DS?

Is anything more alluringly, pointlessly, weirdly jolie-laide than the prototypical blind alley that was the Citroen M35?

Is anything cuter than a early Fiat 850 Spyder (the model with faired-in lights)?

Is any modern-era supercar more subtle than a 288 GTO?

Has there ever been anything as lovely as the Bimota DB1, even though it isn't a car?

Was anything so resolutely unfussy ever as pretty as a Lancia Aurelia B20?

Anyone else never heard of any of those?

 

[freecyclist]

I do have to ask - what about commuters who are not in one group, but end up being so because they are all trying to get to work for 9am?

Unfortunately (or fortunately) we cannot really do anything about random groups of individuals. I dont think these randon individuals have the same tendency to ride along 2abreast nattering either.

 

[Origamist]

You are of course a man with sublime taste sir!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Car appreciation forum

If you don't stop, I'll start waxing lyrical about my collection of Arabia Moomin mugs....I kid you not!

 

[Origamist]

Anyone else never heard of any of those?

Not a clue and I used to read Top Gear mag as a spotty youth.

 

[400bhp]

I quite like cars, but BMW M-series cars are, well...an estate agent's car....(unless they work for Foxtons, in which case it's a BMW mini!)

Ah, now I see you aren't an enthusiast

The "M-series" cars will be the "M sport" versions - utterly pointless sheep in sheeps clothing cars.

Estate Agents wouldn't but proper versions.

 

[400bhp]

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You've never met any Scooby club members then?
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It's a shame-those cars used to be driven by enthusiasts. And they are good cars too. These days they are mostly driven by knuckle draggers.

At most of the trackdays I used to attend the first off would be a ScobbyEvo variant.

 

[400bhp]

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Perhaps this is the solution then. If all roads are marked up like this then there won't be any cyclists getting in the way of drivers. And vice versa. And cyclists could quite happily ride n abreast without annoying any poor drivers.
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Yes-but, what about those cyclists that wish to go faster than the n-abreast group.

 

[John the Monkey]

It's a shame-those cars used to be driven by enthusiasts. And they are good cars too. These days they are mostly driven by knuckle draggers.

Bloke around the corner from me has the one with all the gold stuff on it (the WRX?) and a very shiny Audi TT.

He's a nice bloke, fwiw, always lets on to me (he's usually parking up as I get home - he uses his drive too...)

 

[mickle]

I think that you are right.

Many motorists would i am sure raise the point of how much they pay in road tax and why they would expect to have the first priority to use them.