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oldroadman

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If you want to see inept (and/or allegedly corrupt), four letters - FIFA. They must be aware what is going on and do - zero. UCI is not perfect by a long way but do actually acknowledge the issue and have introduced measures, which is more than can be said for many other bodies.

You have a doping problem, Mr President of international/national sports body?
No we don't, so we have no need for a programme or testing.
Then how do you know there is no problem without testing?
Because we know our competitors would not cheat as they are all honest "amateurs", and we trust them.
How nice that such a wonderful honest sport exists, how much can your "amateurs" at world level make?
Just good expenses, there are no payments.

The essence of an actual conversation from a few years ago with the head of an international governing body for an endurance sport much covered on BBC at the time.

So that's all right then!
 

resal

Veteran
If you want to see inept (and/or allegedly corrupt), four letters - FIFA. They must be aware what is going on and do - zero. UCI is not perfect by a long way but do actually ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

So that's all right then!

[WADA - first proposals to all the sports governing bodies, I think it was Copenhagen 2003. Sepp waddled over to Hein and they both walked out of one of the first sessions and then came back in after break and together stated to Dick, that they did not want blanket 2 year bans but wanted to be able to treat each case on its merit (like the 6 month bans handed out in cycling starting Oct each year) and were not in favour of out of competition testing proposals, all these being fine for amateur sports or less demanding sports. For professional football and professional cycling they would not work. We do not want to allow them to be introduced to our sports. When did FIFA eventually sign -2008 and even then with some special exemptions. You are entirely right and no sane person should have has any doubt about Sepp and FIFA. ]

No it is not alright. It is completely rubbish and we know that the doping arms race will be well advanced wherever PEDs can add advantage. Undoubtedly we can both immediately name 4 sports where PED abuse must be rife but there has not been a single bust in the days since EPO became the drug of choice. But just like Floyd and Tyler doing drugs because everyone else does, does not make their actions any less criminal because they don't perjure in court and use the legal system to bully and intimidate like Lance, so in comparison, in their sweet little, but highly distorted and disturbed minds. they must be "angels", so, the UCI, running a sport where the cat is so obviously out of the bag, cannot make excuses "we are rubbish but look over there they are even more rubbish than we are, they make us look good". The UCI board need to change their attitude. They need to change it big and they need to change it quick. Incremental c r a p is just an excuse for not having the bottle to deal with it. Kick out Pat, tell him he has been in the seat too long for any good he has done and the same for the rest of the bunch unless they can stomach the purging of the system. Cookson, by not having the bottle to actually call on Pat and not go for reform big style, in the last 12 months, shows that he is no agent for change. To date he has not shown resolve.

To move forward from metaphors from the 17th and early 20th century, to a genre you may prefer, the UCI board are just like the line of the song - the "Law-man, beating up the wrong guy" UCI prosecuting Kimmage, It would be dead easy for Cookson - next meeting - Pat - it is dead simple, either the most humble apology to Kimmage or you go. You have 5 minutes to decide, we are going outside, join us there when you have made up your mind. Even if, and I doubt it would happen, nobody joins Cookson, he can leave and tell the press what he did. Pat and the rest of the gang will then be ripped apart by the press and Cookson can start with a fresh(ish) sheet of paper. He just needs to grow some.

Tygart is not grandstanding, he has enough evidence to show the link - Lance to Hein and Pat, but it needs Lance to tell it, to make it all stick. Lance is just sorting out where he can put some fire-breaks in the forest before he uses that info in the bargain. It'll come, like the barbarians to Rome. It is just a case of when.

I could not find it but about 3 or 4 years years ago a poster on the clinic put in a post on the Lance story a great little line. "Boys, this just got serious, nothing is going to stop this now. Time to pull a case of beers and the chair and sit and watch. This is going to be one hell of a show."
 

oldroadman

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All well and good but will they have the cojones to really do anything - like bans for 2 years - when confronted with all that money and a bunch of weaseling lawyers?
They will look for steroids? Old hat, what needs to be found is blood manipulation and EPO use. Then I will believe they are serious. Oh, and let's not have any action on samples from the past couple of years which come up positive...you can imagine what the presswould do to cycling if that was announced!
Of course, lots of journalists get a very good living from footy and it's best not to rock the boat.
 

resal

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The trumpeting of new moves to combat racism in the article is ironic given UEFA's decision to hold their under-21 championship in Israel.
That is the men's and women's under 21 championships is it ? Sorry I forgot.

UEFA want to stamp out racism but sexism is still systemic. That can wait for another couple of decades before that one gets addressed.
 

oldroadman

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Ubique
Yes I heard that on Saturday on the radio and thought it was a move in the right direction.

Oldroadman might be preoccupied for a couple of days. I am sure he thinks it a good move too.
Why preoccupied? If someone is elected on merit then gender is of no consequence. A cynic might say electing an African woman is a smart political move, and I hope it's not simply that, with the flak FIFA have been taking. Thir mext move should be to get rid of the alleged corruption that exists in their organisation. Maybe a brave African woman might start on that from the inside, who knows?
 

thom

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resal

Veteran
Only a matter of time before they'll get Bolt.
Jamaican Anti Doping officials were surprised when independent IAAF Officials turned up. Bolt pulled out of the meet. However, against the run of conspiracy strategists, he pulled out on Tuesday and the meet was on the Saturday. So either, entirely plausible or really getting the info well in advance.
 

Noodley

Guest
Athletics pretty much have their heads in the sand - the BBC Athletics commentary and pundit team are a disgrace.
Football-wise, it's not a coincidence that Italy and Spain seem to feature highly in national competitions and their club teams do likewise on the European scene.
All governing bodies are complicit in doping.
 

Noodley

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to be fair drugs play a minor role in football compared to technique and skill, Italy and Spain have some of the best players in Europe, so will always do well in tournaments ...although that's not to say there isn't a drug problem in football..

Are you really Sepp Blatter? :laugh:

Doping allows those with skill and technique to keep going and making use of this skill and technique when others become fatigued.
 

400bhp

Guru
Athletics pretty much have their heads in the sand - the BBC Athletics commentary and pundit team are a disgrace.
Football-wise, it's not a coincidence that Italy and Spain seem to feature highly in national competitions and their club teams do likewise on the European scene.
All governing bodies are complicit in doping.

In what way?
 
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