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Around ten years ago, there was a spate of deaths among young Belgian cyclists linked to EPO. The link may not have been proven beyond all doubt but is it something you'd want to take a chance on?
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Around ten years ago, there was a spate of deaths among young Belgian cyclists linked to EPO. The link may not have been proven beyond all doubt but is it something you'd want to take a chance on?
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User169
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Pretty well-known side-effects for cortisone use.
And Testosterone and Growth Hormone.
One of the rumours always surrounding Evans was that his infertility was potentially caused by Testosterone use. The fact that there are numerous other causes and that there's two people involved in baby making (well, mostly), seems to have escaped the conspirators though.
RitchieJoe
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Direct deaths from the use of anabolic steroids in the US in 2007 was...... 3. I'd say the belgians were getting bad epo.
RitchieJoe
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The side effects in men are reversible, I have a lot of friends who bodybuild with the assistance of anabolic steroids and they still have had children. They just follow efficient pct protocol and get regular bloodwork.
RitchieJoe
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Yet they are still used in sports, but there is a difference between use and abuse. Tennis plays when they experience pain still get cortisone shots to break down pain and inflammation which essentially allows them to perform better.
400bhp
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Do you want sport and entertainment or just entertainment?
RitchieJoe
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That would depend on your definition of sport and entertainment
400bhp
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Start with what the difference is, in your eyes.
There's no difference between use and abuse with regard to competitive sport. There's no safe protocol, there's just a protocol, normally medically based, as that's what these drugs are developed for. Everyone reacts differently to drugs, there's no single path. Drug use in sports is dependent on access and money, there's no equality. Drugs distort sport, risk athletes health and create an unequal playing field. They set precedents which start younger and younger in creating pressure on upcoming athletes. They create future problems for the NHS because of their increasing prevalence. There is no safe drug taking, even if you are actually medically in need.
RitchieJoe
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The only reason it is deemed abuse is because it is prohibited by the governing bodies, I was referring to the actual dosages etc people take. With regards to drugs distorting sports are you referring to people being enhanced by drugs? because diet can also improve performance but because it is not prohibited it's acceptable. before you say it doesn't make that much of a difference, the difference between novak djokovic on a gluten free diet for me and many others is massive.
Would you ban beta blockers in say.... snooker?
If we are saying people who are "enhanced" should be considered cheats then tiger woods should be banned from playing golf.... but he isn't. Risking people's health is a moot point as performance enhancing drugs can be used safely.
"Drug use in sports is dependent on access and money," - That would also be applicable to equipment and facilities at a young age
Would you ban beta blockers in say.... snooker?
If we are saying people who are "enhanced" should be considered cheats then tiger woods should be banned from playing golf.... but he isn't. Risking people's health is a moot point as performance enhancing drugs can be used safely.
"Drug use in sports is dependent on access and money," - That would also be applicable to equipment and facilities at a young age
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User169
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In the UK, HIV rates in steroid users are now about the same as rates in intravenous heroin users. Sounds really safe to me!
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User169
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And they will very likely suffer the side-effects for that abuse later in life.
I would suggest a separate thread for this, otherwise we'll derail this one. I'm concerned you think there's a safe regime though, you've obviously never spoken to an endocrinologist.
RitchieJoe
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Just read books written by leading experts/doctors in drug use on sports, friends who have actual experience using them who have their health routinely checked by physicians and a lot of medical journals. When I was watching something a while ago someone made a great point, If you're sick with something like HIV these drugs can save you but if you are a healthy athlete they will kill you.