Doping in other sports

[psmiffy]

Surely if they have to stipulate their whereabouts for one hour of the day they would be clockwatching, just like going to work...or am i being over simplistic

After years of doing it and the doping person not turning up on 362 days of each of those years I suspect not (362 might be an overestimate)

 

[User169]

I've been convinced that Farah's dodgy ever since his white training partner bagged a silver behind him in front of a whole bunch of Kenyans and Ethiopians, but missing doping tests is easily done - that's why you need to miss three before any sanction. As someone who has slept through the house alarm going off, I can easily relate to not hearing the doorbell.

Look at his times though. Those Kenyans/Ethiopians typically have faster PBs than Farah, but tend to let him dictate tactics.

 

[400bhp]

I was just about to post that. Things are looking darker with concern to Farah. Here is a quote from Ross Tucker on The Science Of Sport, which, as Resal earlier pointed out and which struck me as odd too, he discusses Farah's bizarre press conference of surprised, angry indignation.

"Oh, and finally, it does strike me as strange that Farah kept saying he would sit down and talk to Salazar, as though they had been ambushed by the allegations. The fact is, the BBC and ProPublica have a very strict policy when reporting, which requires them to contact all parties to inform them of what is being investigated and written, and to allow a response. The wheels on this have been turning for weeks, so it is inconceivable to me that Salazar and Farah were blindsided by the documentary and report earlier this week. When he says he is going to be “talking to people and asking questions”, that doesn’t ring true."

I admit to no longer trusting him and suspect him of being an accomplished liar.

That, on the face of it, sounds odd. I'm sure I read/heard that the BBC told him a month before the show going live?

Although we don't know what "told him" means. It could have been "Well, Mo we have a story on your coach and some accusations about him being dodgy" or they could have shown him the full program. If the former (or something like that) then it's understandable that it would have been hard to scrutinise Salazar at that time.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

That, on the face of it, sounds odd. I'm sure I read/heard that the BBC told him a month before the show going live?

Although we don't know what "told him" means. It could have been "Well, Mo we have a story on your coach and some accusations about him being dodgy" or they could have shown him the full program. If the former (or something like that) then it's understandable that it would have been hard to scrutinise Salazar at that time.

He was informed of the allegations on May 6th, and asked about whether he had witnessed any doping practices or been encouraged to take banned substances and issued a statement to the documentary makers on May 19th - so his "it's all news to me" approach is a load of crunchy nut cornflakes.,

 

[Captain Slackbladder]

Farahs obviously come out and denied any wrongdoing, then again it's not like he's gonna say he's doping.
Even those who are silly enough to get busted play the inocent routine to the bitter end, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Some bloke who refused a drug test appears to be in the semi final of some tennis competition - I'm at my parents house so have to endure this dirge of a sport in the background

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...-failure-provide-blood-sample-drugs-test.html

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

BBC about to debate Mo Farah...Cram and some bloke who missed 2 tests.

 

[User169]

So my daughter ran in a road race today. She was out front so ended up running alongside the Dutch cross country champion who was there geeing the kids up.

His marathon time is 2:10, so may well up running in Rio. Turns out he served a 2 yr ban for a steroid +ve. Usual story -blamed a dodgy supplement his coach picked up in Morocco.

It's all a bit dispiriting really. She was very excited, but you can't help feeling there's a "yes, but..."

 

[Pro Tour Punditry]

Usual story -blamed a dodgy supplement his coach picked up in Morocco.

All these athletes must be some of the unluckiest people - the number of them that eat food that gives them superpowers, accidently infuse steroids via brushing against someone else, have relatives that are so ill they require carloads of medicine, have coaches who pick up a batch of supplements from dodgy sources they knew nothing about.

I reckon I should start a luck white heather stall and tour the world selling it to athletes.

 

[400bhp]

So my daughter ran in a road race today. She was out front so ended up running alongside the Dutch cross country champion who was there geeing the kids up.

His marathon time is 2:10, so may well up running in Rio. Turns out he served a 2 yr ban for a steroid +ve. Usual story -blamed a dodgy supplement his coach picked up in Morocco.

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It's all a bit dispiriting really. She was very excited, but you can't help feeling there's a "yes, but..."

I hope you don't take this the wrong way (and I'm sure it's something you've thought about) but (if your daughter is good) I would have serious reservations of her having a career in athletics. I wouldn't want some asshat like Salazar getting his way. Stick close to her would be my advice.

 

[oldroadman]

A career in sport, ah.... So, don't do football, rugby, baseball, US football, weightlifting, tennis, wrestling, track and field, or practically anything else. Everything has it's problems. Might as well try and be a bike rider, at least they get tested and results don't get covered up because there's too much money involved. You can do it clean right to the top level. This takes, however, talent, a shedload of hard work, dedication, self-denial, and a steely determination. After all that, if you don't make it, just race at a lower level, be content, and able to look your family in the eye and tell them the truth that you did everything you could to succeed, and at least you gave it everything.

 

[RitchieJoe]

Whilst I appreciate that you should not take performance enhancing drugs when the sports governing body outlaws it, I personally don't see why they ban them in the first place. The long term side effects of a lot of these substances haven't been proven and I would also like to highlight the difference between use and abuse.

I'm wanting a bit of light hearted and reasonable debate, not to be attacked

 

[The Couch]

Whilst I appreciate that you should not take performance enhancing drugs when the sports governing body outlaws it, I personally don't see why they ban them in the first place. The long term side effects of a lot of these substances haven't been proven and I would also like to highlight the difference between use and abuse.

I'm wanting a bit of light hearted and reasonable debate, not to be attacked

I think if you dig a bit into the Armstrong thread discussion, you'll find a ton of comments, links, ... on reasons why not to allow doping

 

[RitchieJoe]

I think if you dig a bit into the Armstrong thread discussion, you'll find a ton of comments, links, ... on reasons why not to allow doping

quite a few of those threads....

 

[oldroadman]

Whilst I appreciate that you should not take performance enhancing drugs when the sports governing body outlaws it, I personally don't see why they ban them in the first place. The long term side effects of a lot of these substances haven't been proven and I would also like to highlight the difference between use and abuse.

I'm wanting a bit of light hearted and reasonable debate, not to be attacked

Here's a reason or two. In the first person but read as "a rider" - any clean rider.
I don't (didn't) want to damage my health long term and no-one could prove what the future held.
I don't (didn't) want to ride against dopers who could do their job just a little better because they were charged.
I should be able to have the same income prospects based on a little talent and hard graft, as clients of certain doctors.
That's not an attack, just a few of the reasons for rules and testing.
Nothing wrong, nothing to cover up with pathetic excuses (as practiced by those who protest too much, I think).
The more they catch and chuck out, the more chance for a young prospect to have a good career and stay healthy into old age.